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Yep people who think they are acting for God are always troublesome. Fortunately history also shows they tend to underprepare expecting as they do that God will see to all the details. There undertakings soon fall apart when divine intervention doesn't show up. Napoleon I believe said that God was on the side of the people with the biggest battalions.

100% of the calls for the immediate return of the Mahdi have been wrong, as have 100% of the claims for the imminent return of JC.

All this wishful thinking seems to come from our childhoods, when we got use to adults being there to take care of everything. When some people become adults they look for some 'magic' to take care of all the problems. The adults being replaced by spiritual beings and legends

It has not proven to be a good method for solving problems.
 
Iran blocks UN cameras at big atom site--diplomats

VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran has refused to let U.N. inspectors set up cameras at an underground plant where it is set to begin installing 3,000 centrifuges for full-scale enrichment of nuclear fuel, diplomats said on Friday.

Tehran is expected to announce the major escalation in its uranium enrichment drive during Islamic Revolution anniversary celebrations running until February 11, jacking up tensions with Western powers which pushed through U.N. sanctions against it.

Iran's reported refusal to allow the watchdog International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to hook up cameras in the subterranean centrifuge hall at Natanz is not illegal as long as nuclear activity has not yet begun.

But Tehran's move, following a ban on 38 of 200 inspectors designated to work in Iran, would up the ante in a showdown with Western powers and underline resentment over their bid to halt a nuclear programme Iranian officials insist is entirely peaceful.

The West suspects Iran, which hid enrichment research from the IAEA for 18 years, is striving to build atomic bombs behind the facade of a civilian energy programme. IAEA probes have found no proof of bombmaking, but raised many questions.

Vienna-based diplomats familiar with IAEA operations said Iran blocked inspectors earlier this week from installing surveillance cameras in the Natanz underground complex. 'The cameras need to be (functional) before nuclear material is introduced into the centrifuges for enrichment,' said one diplomat, who like others asked for anonymity to discuss confidential information.

Talks had begun to resolve the dispute, the diplomat said. 'There is still time to resolve the problem before any real centrifuge operations start,' said another Vienna diplomat. 'Iran is not breaking its (non-proliferation) Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA here because nuclear activity has not begun in the plant,' a third diplomat told Reuters. 'But their behaviour reflects the rising tensions. They have no incentive to be transparent since they feel the U.N. (sanctions) resolution is illegal, and they seem to want to approve these cameras as part of a negotiated settlement.' There was no immediate comment from Iran or IAEA officials.

The U.N. Security Council, which banned transfers of nuclear materials and knowhow to Iran on December 23, has give Tehran until February 21 to stop enriching uranium or face broader sanctions.

IAEA inspectors and cameras continue to monitor a small research-level plant of 350 centrifuges in the above-ground wing of Natanz, in the desert 200 km (125 miles) south of Tehran.

Uranium gas processed from ore is fed into centrifuges that spin at supersonic speed to boost the material's fissile element for nuclear fuel. Enriched to 5 percent, uranium can run power plants. Enriched to 80 percent or more, it can detonate bombs.

Iran says it intends to enrich uranium only to the low level required for electricity. But IAEA personnel and cameras would have to be inside the underground complex to verify this.

The 3,000 centrifuges, if run nonstop for long periods in interlinked cascades that conduct the fuel production cycle, could yield enough fuel for one atom bomb within a year. The 3,000 are envisaged as the first stage of a planned 54,000.

But analysts say Iran has yet to prove it can smoothly operate two cascades of 164 centrifuges each in Natanz's pilot wing, let along the many more cascades it would need to run in tandem underground to enrich more than token amounts of uranium.

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp- ... id=2768316
 
Iran accuses US over diplomat kidnapping in Baghdad

Iran blamed America for the "terrorist" kidnapping of a Iranian diplomat in Baghdad today in the latest chapter of the two countries' increasingly hostile competition for influence in Iraq.

A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry in Tehran said that Jalal Sharafi, the second secretary of the Iranian Embassy in Baghdad, was abducted on Sunday by Iraqi troops acting "under US supervision" and that the Iranian Government expects Washington to organise his release.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran strongly condemns the terrorist act which runs counter to international regulations and the Vienna Convention," said Mohammad-Ali Hosseini.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran considers it a responsibility of US forces in Iraq to protect members of the diplomatic community, including Iranian diplomats, and will hold them responsible for obtaining the release of the abducted Iranian diplomat."

US military commanders in Baghdad have denied having any role in the disappearance of Mr Sharafi, who, according to the Iranian account, was on his way to the new Baghdad branch of the Iranian state-owned Bank Melli when he was ordered out of his car by gunmen in Iraqi military uniforms.

Iranian diplomats have said that the gunmen appeared to be members of the Iraqi 36th Commando Battalion, a special military unit that works closely with US forces in the capital and drove American vehicles. But a US military spokesman rejected the charge today.

"We are not aware of any mission that even resembles this incident,” said Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Garver, who added that he could not confirm whether the incident even took place.

Iraqi officials, speaking anonymously, have given conflicting versions of the episode, saying that policemen opened fire on gunmen who were thought to be abducting the Iranian envoy and that they had been captured. The men were later released to the Iraqi military. The US Embassy said it was still trying to piece together the various accounts.

The Iranian accusation is the latest in a series of tense exchanges and confrontations between US forces in Iraq and Iranian officials in the country, some of whom have been characterised by the American Government as agents intent on stoking sectarian conflict in the country.

Hassan Kazemi Qomi, the Iranian Ambassador to Iraq, said: “It seems that this terrorist act has been committed in the framework of Bush’s order and with the goal of escalating the confrontation with Iran."

Last November, General Michael Hayden, the director of the CIA, told the US Senate that Iran was pursuing a policy of supporting various competing Shia factions in Iraq "with a sense of dangerous triumphalism".

Soon afterwards, the US press reported that the Bush Administration had approved new, tougher measures against Iranian agents in Iraq, including the capture and assassination of members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Command, of whom there are thought to be around 150 in the country at any one time.

Last month, President Bush's new security plan for Iraq accused Iran of "both lethal action and the burrowing of Iranian actors into Iraqi institutions" and promised to step up efforts to limit Tehran's influence in the country. Five Iranians, described by Washington as military agents, were detained in a raid on an Iranian government building in Irbil, northern Iraq.

Anger on both sides has grown against the backdrop of the continuing unease over Iran's nuclear ambitions. The UN Security Council is due to meet to discuss the latest measures aimed at halting Tehran's uranium enrichment programme later this month.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 340201.ece
 
Haha, Iran is mad about the americans kidnaping a diplomate. Anyone else sees the irony in this?
 
Iggore said:
Haha, Iran is mad about the americans kidnaping a diplomate. Anyone else sees the irony in this?
er, no, you'll have to spell it out for me.

(i hope it involves helicopters, i love helicopters... 8) )
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
a reference to the hostage crisis of '79?
Why, yes! Holmes! 'The Mysterious Case of the Flaky Helicopters'! How could we have forgotten?
 
Surely your not hinting, that at one time the yanks controlled all the govts of the mid east, the ones worth controlling cos they had oil, but they got so repressive and lazy that revolution came about and the damned radicals captured all the "diplomats".

Then the flabby post "nam" army totally botched the rescue mission, but lukily some right thinking cigar smokin tough guys stepped in and arranged a deal to free the hostages just after their guy got elected,to make the dems look like wooly doofuses, and in the process arm the radicals and some southern anti radicals and keep the coke flowing. Are you.
 
Just a thought do you think it's possible that the yanks want to get control of the oil again ?
 
crunchy5 said:
Surely your not hinting, that at one time the yanks controlled all the govts of the mid east, the ones worth controlling cos they had oil, but they got so repressive and lazy that revolution came about and the damned radicals captured all the "diplomats".

Then the flabby post "nam" army totally botched the rescue mission, but lukily some right thinking cigar smokin tough guys stepped in and arranged a deal to free the hostages just after their guy got elected,to make the dems look like wooly doofuses, and in the process arm the radicals and some southern anti radicals and keep the coke flowing. Are you.

so american hypocrisy is a justification for any regime's future hypocrisy? great! that means britain can't be criticised for having an empire because large parts of it were once colonised by the romans. in fact, why don't we bring slavery back to britain?
 
I think Crunchy was just being cynical.

Empires rise and fall, and IMO the US empire is doing nothing more than any other empire (inc British Empire) ever did.

Not that I am very good at history, but I'd bet my bottom imaginary dollar (ahem) that this is the case.
 
crunchy5 said:
Surely your not hinting, that at one time the yanks controlled all the govts of the mid east, the ones worth controlling cos they had oil, but they got so repressive and lazy that revolution came about and the damned radicals captured all the "diplomats".

Then the flabby post "nam" army totally botched the rescue mission, but lukily some right thinking cigar smokin tough guys stepped in and arranged a deal to free the hostages just after their guy got elected,to make the dems look like wooly doofuses, and in the process arm the radicals and some southern anti radicals and keep the coke flowing. Are you.

Yes, of course. I wonder what your point is.

What do you mean, "diplomats"?



crunchy5 said:
Just a thought do you think it's possible that the yanks want to get control of the oil again ?

How does one "get control of the oil"?
 
Iggore said:
How does one "get control of the oil"?

If it's loose it can be terribly slippy, if you can get it into a container it becomes quite easy, though you'll probably have to clean the container on the outside when the oil's inside to get rid of the inevitable drips. After that it's a piece of pi*s to control you could stack it or move it with out having to pay regard to it's natural slipperiness.
 
At long last, the soft underbelly is revealed
Bronwen Maddox, World Briefing

For the first time in four years, the US has a good card to play in threatening Iran. But its decision this week to try to sever Iran’s links with financial markets is revealing how successful Tehran has been in building those ties and how many friends it can claim.

The US has picked this week’s Munich security conference, which began last night, to challenge the European Union to join it in a rough and ready form of financial sanctions, in an attempt to persuade Iran to drop its nuclear ambitions. The timing is excellent: Iran is scrambling to make the most of the fading boom in oil prices, and to strike commercial deals to reduce its vulnerability to pressure.

In a gesture of defiance, Iran test-fired a new land-to-sea missile yesterday with a range of more than 200 miles (300km). “We have successfully fired a cruise missile . . . hitting targets in the Sea of Oman and northern Indian Ocean,” Ali Fadavi, deputy navy commander, said. “This missile . . . can hit all kinds of big warships in all of the Persian Gulf, Sea of Oman and northern Indian Ocean,” he added.

Recent warship deployment by the US has been an unsubtle advertisement of its military ability to strike Iran, even if that proves politically impossible.


Gregory Schulte, the US Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations nuclear watchdog, used Munich to accuse European countries of doing too little to join the US in cracking down on Tehran, a complaint that US officials have been lobbing at Europeans in private since last year.

The US has its eye on the extensive commercial relationships between Iran and Austria, Italy, Germany, France, Spain and, to some extent, Britain. The American demand has become public since the success of its unilateral drive to shut Iran out of the financial markets. Its blacklisting of the state-owned Saderat and Sepah banks — meaning that they cannot carry out transactions in US dollars — has had a discernible impact on Iran, more than the loose trade sanctions that the UN has agreed separately.

In the past two months, Iran has been asking for payments for oil revenues and other exports in euros, not dollars. It is now believed to be conducting much of its foreign exchange transactions in euros or United Arab Emirates dirhams. The Government has also been reported to have been shifting its foreign-held assets out of dollars into euros. From one point of view, it is surprising that Iran should feel vulnerable: it is one of the world’s biggest oil producers; has a list of customers for that oil who are not about to walk away; and has enjoyed four years of unexpected high revenue from that production.

But President Ahmadinejad, whose critics at home attack him for economic mismanagement, is under pressure to return more of the benefits of the boom to ordinary Iranians, as he promised in his election campaign. Two weeks ago, in his budget for the coming year, he said that he planned to spend a fifth more than last year and to set aside more of oil revenues for infrastructure. Among other urgent needs, Iran is trying to invest more in oil refining. Because it refines so little of its own oil, it has to import petrol, and so in times of rising oil prices the Government has to pay huge subsidies to prevent ordinary people being hit by rising prices. That soaks up some of the benefit it receives from higher oil prices.

The Government’s difficulty in tackling this obvious vulnerability, an oddity in so significant an oil producer, has given hope to those who fear that it wants to develop nuclear weapons. It insists that it wants merely to equip itself with civil nuclear power stations, but analysts calculate that if it masters the technology that it says it is installing, it could be only three or four years away from a bomb. It has not yet mastered the crucial nuclear technology, and its separate difficulties in increasing refining capacity are a reminder of the barrier that its semi-isolation has proved to be.

Iran’s strongest defence against such pressure will be the web of alliances that it has carefully struck up. On Wednesday, its Armed Forces test-fired a new Russian-made air defence system, sold to Iran despite fierce US criticism. It is also in advanced talks with Indian investors about building new oil refineries.

This week Swiss banks also said that they would not stop dealing with Iranian companies or individuals, provided that they were engaged in legitimate activities. “We should differentiate between rogue states that we should not deal with and the citizens of the same country,” the chairman of the Swiss Bankers Association said.

It has been some time since the US had a clear tactic in dealing with Iran. It now does: to peel off Iran’s friends, starting with the EU. But that may not be as easy as the US, judging by its indignation, thinks that it should be.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 355906.ece
 
rynner said:
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This week Swiss banks also said that they would not stop dealing with Iranian companies or individuals, provided that they were engaged in legitimate activities. “We should differentiate between rogue states that we should not deal with and the citizens of the same country,” the chairman of the Swiss Bankers Association said.

It has been some time since the US had a clear tactic in dealing with Iran. It now does: to peel off Iran’s friends, starting with the EU. But that may not be as easy as the US, judging by its indignation, thinks that it should be.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 355906.ece
When did Switzerland join the EU? :confused:
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
rynner said:
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This week Swiss banks also said that they would not stop dealing with Iranian companies or individuals, provided that they were engaged in legitimate activities. “We should differentiate between rogue states that we should not deal with and the citizens of the same country,” the chairman of the Swiss Bankers Association said.

It has been some time since the US had a clear tactic in dealing with Iran. It now does: to peel off Iran’s friends, starting with the EU. But that may not be as easy as the US, judging by its indignation, thinks that it should be.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 355906.ece
When did Switzerland join the EU? :confused:

i don't think it's actually saying switzerland's in the EU. it's referring to the countries mentioned earlier in the article, which are countries trading in the euro, and the summation of the article just happens to come after the mention of switzerland.
 
Target Iran: US able to strike in the spring


Despite denials, Pentagon plans for possible attack on nuclear sites are well advanced

US preparations for an air strike against Iran are at an advanced stage, in spite of repeated public denials by the Bush administration, according to informed sources in Washington.

The present military build-up in the Gulf would allow the US to mount an attack by the spring. But the sources said that if there was an attack, it was more likely next year, just before Mr Bush leaves office.

Neo-conservatives, particularly at the Washington-based American Enterprise Institute, are urging Mr Bush to open a new front against Iran. So too is the vice-president, Dick Cheney. The state department and the Pentagon are opposed, as are Democratic congressmen and the overwhelming majority of Republicans. The sources said Mr Bush had not yet made a decision. The Bush administration insists the military build-up is not offensive but aimed at containing Iran and forcing it to make diplomatic concessions. The aim is to persuade Tehran to curb its suspect nuclear weapons programme and abandon ambitions for regional expansion.

Robert Gates, the new US defence secretary, said yesterday: "I don't know how many times the president, secretary [of state Condoleezza] Rice and I have had to repeat that we have no intention of attacking Iran."
But Vincent Cannistraro, a Washington-based intelligence analyst, shared the sources' assessment that Pentagon planning was well under way. "Planning is going on, in spite of public disavowals by Gates. Targets have been selected. For a bombing campaign against nuclear sites, it is quite advanced. The military assets to carry this out are being put in place."

He added: "We are planning for war. It is incredibly dangerous."

Deployment

Mr Cannistraro, who worked for the CIA and the National Security Council, stressed that no decision had been made.

Last month Mr Bush ordered a second battle group led by the aircraft carrier USS John Stennis to the Gulf in support of the USS Eisenhower. The USS Stennis is due to arrive within the next 10 days. Extra US Patriot missiles have been sent to the region, as well as more minesweepers, in anticipation of Iranian retaliatory action.

In another sign that preparations are under way, Mr Bush has ordered oil reserves to be stockpiled.

The danger is that the build-up could spark an accidental war. Iranian officials said on Thursday that they had tested missiles capable of hitting warships in the Gulf.

Colonel Sam Gardiner, a former air force officer who has carried out war games with Iran as the target, supported the view that planning for an air strike was under way: "Gates said there is no planning for war. We know this is not true. He possibly meant there is no plan for an immediate strike. It was sloppy wording.

"All the moves being made over the last few weeks are consistent with what you would do if you were going to do an air strike. We have to throw away the notion the US could not do it because it is too tied up in Iraq. It is an air operation."

One of the main driving forces behind war, apart from the vice-president's office, is the AEI, headquarters of the neo-conservatives. A member of the AEI coined the slogan "axis of evil" that originally lumped Iran in with Iraq and North Korea. Its influence on the White House appeared to be in decline last year amid endless bad news from Iraq, for which it had been a cheerleader. But in the face of opposition from Congress, the Pentagon and state department, Mr Bush opted last month for an AEI plan to send more troops to Iraq. Will he support calls from within the AEI for a strike on Iran?

Josh Muravchik, a Middle East specialist at the AEI, is among its most vocal supporters of such a strike.

"I do not think anyone in the US is talking about invasion. We have been chastened by the experience of Iraq, even a hawk like myself." But an air strike was another matter. The danger of Iran having a nuclear weapon "is not just that it might use it out of the blue but as a shield to do all sorts of mischief. I do not believe there will be any way to stop this happening other than physical force."

Mr Bush is part of the American generation that refuses to forgive Iran for the 1979-81 hostage crisis. He leaves office in January 2009 and has said repeatedly that he does not want a legacy in which Iran has achieved superpower status in the region and come close to acquiring a nuclear weapon capability. The logic of this is that if diplomatic efforts fail to persuade Iran to stop uranium enrichment then the only alternative left is to turn to the military.

Mr Muravchik is intent on holding Mr Bush to his word: "The Bush administration have said they would not allow Iran nuclear weapons. That is either bullshit or they mean it as a clear code: we will do it if we have to. I would rather believe it is not hot air."

Other neo-cons elsewhere in Washington are opposed to an air strike but advocate a different form of military action, supporting Iranian armed groups, in particular the Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK), even though the state department has branded it a terrorist organisation.

Raymond Tanter, founder of the Iran Policy Committee, which includes former officials from the White House, state department and intelligence services, is a leading advocate of support for the MEK. If it comes to an air strike, he favours bunker-busting bombs. "I believe the only way to get at the deeply buried sites at Natanz and Arak is probably to use bunker-buster bombs, some of which are nuclear tipped. I do not believe the US would do that but it has sold them to Israel."

Opposition support

Another neo-conservative, Meyrav Wurmser, director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Hudson Institute, also favours supporting Iranian opposition groups. She is disappointed with the response of the Bush administration so far to Iran and said that if the aim of US policy after 9/11 was to make the Middle East safer for the US, it was not working because the administration had stopped at Iraq. "There is not enough political will for a strike. There seems to be various notions of what the policy should be."

In spite of the president's veto on negotiation with Tehran, the state department has been involved since 2003 in back-channel approaches and meetings involving Iranian officials and members of the Bush administration or individuals close to it. But when last year the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, sent a letter as an overture, the state department dismissed it within hours of its arrival.

Support for negotiations comes from centrist and liberal thinktanks. Afshin Molavi, a fellow of the New America Foundation, said: "To argue diplomacy has not worked is false because it has not been tried. Post-90s and through to today, when Iran has been ready to dance, the US refused, and when the US has been ready to dance, Iran has refused. We are at a stage where Iran is ready to walk across the dance floor and the US is looking away."

He is worried about "a miscalculation that leads to an accidental war".

The catalyst could be Iraq. The Pentagon said yesterday that it had evidence - serial numbers of projectiles as well as explosives - of Iraqi militants' weapons that had come from Iran. In a further sign of the increased tension, Iran's main nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, cancelled a visit to Munich for what would have been the first formal meeting with his western counterparts since last year.

If it does come to war, Mr Muravchik said Iran would retaliate, but that on balance it would be worth it to stop a country that he said had "Death to America" as its official slogan.

"We have to gird our loins and prepare to absorb the counter-shock," he said.

War of words

"If Iran escalates its military action in Iraq to the detriment of our troops and/or innocent Iraqi people, we will respond firmly"
George Bush, in an interview with National Public Radio

"The Iranians clearly believe that we are tied down in Iraq, that they have the initiative, that they are in position to press us in many ways. They are doing nothing to be constructive in Iraq at this point"
Robert Gates

"I think it's been pretty well-known that Iran is fishing in troubled waters"
Dick Cheney

"It is absolutely parallel. They're using the same dance steps - demonise the bad guys, the pretext of diplomacy, keep out of negotiations, use proxies. It is Iraq redux"
Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counter- terrorism specialist, in Vanity Fair, on echoes of the run-up to the war in Iraq

"US policymakers and analysts know that the Iranian nation would not let an invasion go without a response. Enemies of the Islamic system fabricated various rumours about death and health to demoralise the Iranian nation, but they did not know that they are not dealing with only one person in Iran. They are facing a nation"
Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2010087,00.html
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Pietro_Mercurios said:
rynner said:
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This week Swiss banks also said that they would not stop dealing with Iranian companies or individuals, provided that they were engaged in legitimate activities. “We should differentiate between rogue states that we should not deal with and the citizens of the same country,” the chairman of the Swiss Bankers Association said.

It has been some time since the US had a clear tactic in dealing with Iran. It now does: to peel off Iran’s friends, starting with the EU. But that may not be as easy as the US, judging by its indignation, thinks that it should be.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 355906.ece
When did Switzerland join the EU? :confused:

i don't think it's actually saying switzerland's in the EU. it's referring to the countries mentioned earlier in the article, which are countries trading in the euro, and the summation of the article just happens to come after the mention of switzerland.
There was me thinking it was just sloppy Murdochnik journalism: any excuse, no matter how tenacious, to have a go at the EU.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
There was me thinking it was just sloppy Murdochnik journalism: any excuse, no matter how tenacious, to have a go at the EU.

i thought that might be the case. sometimes, though, the prejudice in the reading can create the mistake.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Pietro_Mercurios said:
There was me thinking it was just sloppy Murdochnik journalism: any excuse, no matter how tenacious, to have a go at the EU.

i thought that might be the case. sometimes, though, the prejudice in the reading can create the mistake.
Quite. That's why it's so important to ensure that a piece of journalism is written clearly, lucidly and unambiguously.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
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There was me thinking it was just sloppy Murdochnik journalism: any excuse, no matter how tenacious, to have a go at the EU.
Of course, when I wrote 'tenacious', I actually meant 'tenuous', which means more, or less, the opposite.

Bit busy today. :oops:
 
US sets out Iran bombs evidence

The evidence of Iranian involvement in supplying Shia extremists in Iraq was meant to have been published at the end of January.

It was apparently delayed because the Americans wanted to be as sure as they could be of their facts and what they could make public.

They wanted, too, to show journalists physical evidence to back their case.

They knew reporters would be sceptical of intelligence assessments after their dramatic and ultimately discredited

claims over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

So, this time there was no senior member of the US administration to put the case publicly against Iran. It was a low-key affair.

continues

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 352593.stm


Democrats wary over Iran claims

Senior Democrats in the United States have urged the Bush administration to be cautious about accusing Iran of fomenting violence in Iraq.
They were speaking after US officials in Iraq said they had evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military.

US claims the bombs were smuggled from Iran cannot be independently verified.

Democratic Senator Chris Dodd said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before.

"I'm looking at this report with a degree of scepticism," he said.

continues

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 352899.stm
 
An interesting article from the New Statesman. It points out how Marines hold many of the top US Military posts. I'm not convinced though thathe US have enough Marines free to invade Iran.

Iran - Ready to attack
Dan Plesch

Published 19 February 2007

American preparations for invading Iran are complete, Dan Plesch reveals. Plus Rageh Omaar's insights from Iran and Andrew Stephen on fears George Bush's administration will blunder into war


American military operations for a major conventional war with Iran could be implemented any day. They extend far beyond targeting suspect WMD facilities and will enable President Bush to destroy Iran's military, political and economic infrastructure overnight using conventional weapons.

British military sources told the New Statesman, on condition of anonymity, that "the US military switched its whole focus to Iran" as soon as Saddam Hussein was kicked out of Baghdad. It continued this strategy, even though it had American infantry bogged down in fighting the insurgency in Iraq.

The US army, navy, air force and marines have all prepared battle plans and spent four years building bases and training for "Operation Iranian Freedom". Admiral Fallon, the new head of US Central Command, has inherited computerised plans under the name TIRANNT (Theatre Iran Near Term).

The Bush administration has made much of sending a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf. But it is a tiny part of the preparations. Post 9/11, the US navy can put six carriers into battle at a month's notice. Two carriers in the region, the USS John C Stennis and the USS Dwight D Eisenhower, could quickly be joined by three more now at sea: USS Ronald Reagan, USS Harry S Truman and USS Theodore Roosevelt, as well as by USS Nimitz. Each carrier force includes hundreds of cruise missiles.

Then there are the marines, who are not tied down fighting in Iraq. Several marine forces are assembling, each with its own aircraft carrier. These carrier forces can each conduct a version of the D-Day landings. They come with landing craft, tanks, jump-jets, thousands of troops and, yes, hundreds more cruise missiles. Their task is to destroy Iranian forces able to attack oil tankers and to secure oilfields and installations. They have trained for this mission since the Iranian revolution of 1979.

Today, marines have the USS Boxer and USS Bataan carrier forces in the Gulf and probably also the USS Kearsarge and USS Bonhomme Richard. Three others, the USS Peleliu, USS Wasp and USS Iwo Jima, are ready to join them. Earlier this year, HQ staff to manage these forces were moved from Virginia to Bahrain.

Vice-President Dick Cheney has had something of a love affair with the US marines, and this may reach its culmination in the fishing villages along Iran's Gulf coast. Marine generals hold the top jobs at Nato, in the Pentagon and are in charge of all nuclear weapons. No marine has held any of these posts before.

Traditionally, the top nuclear job went either to a commander of the navy's Trident submarines or of the air force's bombers and missiles. Today, all these forces follow the orders of a marine, General James Cartwright, and are integrated into a "Global Strike" plan which places strategic forces on permanent 12-hour readiness.

The only public discussion of this plan has been by the American analysts Bill Arkin and Hans Kristensen, who have focused on the possible use of atomic weapons. These concerns are justified, but ignore how forces can be used in conventional war.

Any US general planning to attack Iran can now assume that at least 10,000 targets can be hit in a single raid, with warplanes flying from the US or Diego Garcia. In the past year, unlimited funding for military technology has taken "smart bombs" to a new level.

New "bunker-busting" conventional bombs weigh only 250lb. According to Boeing, the GBU-39 small-diameter bomb "quadruples" the firepower of US warplanes, compared to those in use even as recently as 2003. A single stealth or B-52 bomber can now attack between 150 and 300 individual points to within a metre of accuracy using the global positioning system.

With little military effort, the US air force can hit the last-known position of Iranian military units, political leaders and supposed sites of weapons of mass destruction. One can be sure that, if war comes, George Bush will not want to stand accused of using too little force and allowing Iran to fight back.

"Global Strike" means that, without any obvious signal, what was done to Serbia and Lebanon can be done overnight to the whole of Iran. We, and probably the Iranians, would not know about it until after the bombs fell. Forces that hide will suffer the fate of Saddam's armies, once their positions are known.

The whole of Iran is now less than an hour's flying time from some American base or carrier. Sources in the region as well as trade journals confirm that the US has built three bases in Azerbaijan that could be transit points for troops and with facilities equal to its best in Europe.

Most of the Iranian army is positioned along the border with Iraq, facing US army missiles that can reach 150km over the border. But it is in the flat, sandy oilfields east and south of Basra where the temptation will be to launch a tank attack and hope that a disaffected population will be grateful.

The regime in Tehran has already complained of US- and UK-inspired terror attacks in several Iranian regions where the population opposes the ayatollahs' fanatical policies. Such reports corroborate the American journalist Seymour Hersh's claim that the US military is already engaged in a low-level war with Iran. The fighting is most intense in the Kurdish north where Iran has been firing artillery into Iraq. The US and Iran are already engaged in a low-level proxy war across the Iran-Iraq border.

And, once again, the neo-cons at the American Enterprise Institute have a plan for a peaceful settlement: this time it is for a federal Iran. Officially, Michael Ledeen, the AEI plan's sponsor, has been ostracised by the White House. However, two years ago, the Congress of Iranian Nationalities for a Federal Iran had its inaugural meeting in London.

We should not underestimate the Bush administration's ability to convince itself that an "Iran of the regions" will emerge from a post-rubble Iran.

Dan Plesch is a research associate at the School of Oriental and African Studies


http://www.newstatesman.com/200702190014
 
Once George Bush has got hold of a bad idea he just can't let it go

We watch plans for an attack on Iran unfold even as the official narrative for the run-up to the Iraq war unravels

Gary Younge
Monday February 19, 2007
The Guardian

On December 20 1954, a woman known as Marion Keech gathered her followers in her garden in Lake City, Illinois, and waited for midnight, when flying saucers were supposed to land and save them from huge floods about to engulf the planet.

Keech had received news of the impending deluge from Sananda, a being from the planet Clarion, whose messages she passed on to a small group of believers. Unbeknown to her, the group had been infiltrated by a University of Minnesota researcher, the social psychologist Leon Festinger.

As dawn rose on December 21 with no flying saucer in sight, Keech had another revelation. Sananda told her that the group's advanced state of enlightenment had saved the entire planet. They rejoiced and called a press conference. "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change," wrote Festinger in his book on the cult, When Prophecy Fails. "Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts and figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."

George Bush is a man of conviction and clearly a hard man to change. When reality confronts his plans he does not alter them but instead alters his understanding of reality. Like Keech and her crew, he stands with a tight band of followers, both deluded and determined, understanding each setback not as a sign to change course but as further proof that they must redouble their efforts to the original goal.

And so we watch the administration's plans for a military attack against Iran unfold even as its official narrative for the run-up to the war in Iraq unravels and the wisdom of that war stands condemned by death and destruction. As though on split screens, we pass seamlessly from reports of how they lied to get us into the last war, to scenes of carnage as a result of the war, to shots of them lying us into the next one.

One moment we see the trial of Dick Cheney's former deputy, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, revealing how the administration sought to discredit critics of the plans to invade Iraq; the next we see them discrediting critics of their plans to attack Iran. On one page, newly released documents reveal how the defence department contorted evidence to justify bombing Baghdad; on the next, the administration is using suspect evidence to justify bombing Iran.

"It is absolutely parallel," Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist, told Vanity Fair magazine. "They're using the same dance steps - demonise the bad guys, the pretext of diplomacy, keep out of negotiations, use proxies. It is Iraq redux."

The administration, of course, denies this. Despite the fact it has ordered oil reserves to be stockpiled and has just sent a second aircraft carrier as well as more patriot missiles and minesweepers to the Gulf, they swear these allegations are groundless. Robert Gates, the new defence secretary, recently insisted: "I don't know how many times the president, secretary [of state Condoleezza] Rice and I have had to repeat that we have no intention of attacking Iran."

The sad fact is Gates can say it as many times as he likes because no one believes him. In April 2002, Bush told Trevor McDonald: "I have no plans to attack [Iraq] on my desk." An $8 cab ride to the Pentagon and Bush would have found the plans on Donald Rumsfeld's desk. He knew this because he put them there four months earlier. On November 21 2001, he asked Rumsfeld: "What kind of war plan do you have for Iraq?" :roll:

True they are pursuing diplomatic avenues to derail Iran's nuclear programme, but we now know that this may be little more than a sideshow. The day before Iraq was due to let in UN weapons inspectors, Bush told Rumsfeld and the head of central command, General Tommy Franks, to "dissociate a big deployment or build-up from what Colin [Powell] is doing on the diplomatic front ... Don't make it look like I have no choice but to invade".

The aim here isn't to reprosecute the case against the Iraq war - in almost every venue but the White House and Downing Street that has been won - but to illustrate that the duplicities from that war and a possible next one are playing out concurrently. Whatever excuses people make for backing an attack on Iran, what they can't say is they didn't know.

Nor does it mean America will attack tomorrow. But it does mean they are almost ready to attack today. "Targets have been selected," says Vincent Cannistraro, a US intelligence analyst. "For a bombing campaign against nuclear sites, it is quite advanced. The military assets to carry this out are being put in place. We are planning for war."

These plans run not in historical parallel with the period before the attack on Iraq, but rather in lockstep with the current situation there. They do not so much replicate the preparations as seek to exploit the dire situation caused by the invasion.

For the time being, US focus has shifted from Iran's desire to acquire a nuclear bomb - a development that should be resisted by diplomatic means, because it will undermine prospects of stability and peace in the region - to its involvement in Iraq. The accusation is that the Iranians are supplying insurgents with a bomb known as the "explosively formed penetrator", which, the Pentagon says, is responsible for killing at least 170 US military personnel and wounding a further 620. Bush claims these weapons were provided by Quds, an elite branch of the Iranian military. He admits he has no idea whether the Iranian government is involved or not.

There are a few problems with this. First, the US is in no position to condemn other countries for meddling in the foreign affairs of Iraq. Second, the administration's credibility, like Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, is non-existent. Recently, the Pentagon's inspector general, Thomas Gimble, slammed Rumsfeld underling Douglas Feith for wilfully contorting intelligence about links between Iraq and al-Qaida in order to justify the Iraq war. Feith compiled a briefing that was "inappropriate" with conclusions that were "not fully supported by the available intelligence", concluded Gimble, who fell just short of branding Feith an outright liar.

But most importantly, the region's biggest obstacle to peace and stability is not Iran but the US. The invasion of Iraq has both bolstered Iran's standing by installing a friendly Shia regime in Baghdad, and given Iran every reason to arm itself for fear of imminent attack from US bases now embedded on its border. Each time the White House issues threats against Iran, it strengthens the crude, anti-semitic prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who can rally the nation around a foreign enemy - a strategy with which Bush is all too familiar.

"We have to throw away the notion the US could not do it because it is too tied up in Iraq," says Colonel Sam Gardiner, a former US air force officer who has carried out war games with Iran as the target. "It is an air operation."

Like Keech before him, it seems once Bush has got hold of a bad idea he just can't let it go. Just because it is irresponsible, irrational, unpopular and unconscionable doesn't mean he won't do it.

"History does not repeat itself," Mark Twain once wrote. "But it does rhyme."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 22,00.html
 
(not so much sizing iran up as tailoring the body bags)

US 'Iran attack plans' revealed

US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned.
It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres.

The US insists it is not planning to attack, and is trying to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment.

The UN has urged Iran to stop the programme or face economic sanctions.

But diplomatic sources have told the BBC that as a fallback plan, senior officials at Central Command in Florida have already selected their target sets inside Iran.

That list includes Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz. Facilities at Isfahan, Arak and Bushehr are also on the target list, the sources say.

Two triggers

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says the trigger for such an attack reportedly includes any confirmation that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon - which it denies.

Alternatively, our correspondent adds, a high-casualty attack on US forces in neighbouring Iraq could also trigger a bombing campaign if it were traced directly back to Tehran.

Long range B2 stealth bombers would drop so-called "bunker-busting" bombs in an effort to penetrate the Natanz site, which is buried some 25m (27 yards) underground.

The BBC's Tehran correspondent France Harrison says the news that there are now two possible triggers for an attack is a concern to Iranians.

Authorities insist there is no cause for alarm but ordinary people are now becoming a little worried, she says.

Deadline

Earlier this month US officials said they had evidence Iran was providing weapons to Iraqi Shia militias. At the time, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the accusations were "excuses to prolong the stay" of US forces in Iraq.

Middle East analysts have recently voiced their fears of catastrophic consequences for any such US attack on Iran.

Britain's previous ambassador to Tehran, Sir Richard Dalton, told the BBC it would backfire badly by probably encouraging the Iranian government to develop a nuclear weapon in the long term.

Last year Iran resumed uranium enrichment - a process that can make fuel for power stations or, if greatly enriched, material for a nuclear bomb.

Tehran insists its programme is for civil use only, but Western countries suspect Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons.

The UN Security Council has called on Iran to suspend its enrichment of uranium by 21 February.

If it does not, and if the International Atomic Energy Agency confirms this, the resolution says that further economic sanctions will be considered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 639.stm?ls
 
I'd hate to live down wind of such an attack. Imo the clever thing for the Iranians to do now would be to renounce nuke power altogether, but go huge on renewables. Then ask whats with all the ships wuh ?
 
A contingency plan? Say, like for an emergency? WHY I NEVER!

The americans have such plans for every situations. As I understand it there's a contingency plan on the books in the Pentagon that details how they'll execute an amphibious landing in Norway in December in order to liberate it from Russian tank divisions. Just because there's a plan for it on the books doesn't necessarily indicate that anything is expected to come of it.

The BBC seem to publish them a lot. The US also has contingency plans to attack the UK, we'll probably hear about them again on the next really slow news day.
 
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