U.S. Sizing Up Iran?

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A new article by Yassamine Mather.

16.01.2020

No to war, no to the regime
Yassamine Mather analyses the continuing US-Iran conflict. This article is based on her talk to the January 12 meeting of Hands Off the People of Iran.


... Now we have the protests - not just by opponents of the regime, but by various factions within the ruling circle - against Tehran’s shooting down on January 8 of a civilian aircraft, resulting in the death of all 176 people on board. The latest demonstrations are not as large as the previous week’s, but nevertheless reflect the extent of the opposition - not just to the United States, but to the corruption and lying of the regime, especially the initial statements following the attack on the Ukrainian plane, which made people more angry than the attack itself.

If anyone was looking for justification for the position of Hands Off the People of Iran, then the latest situation has provided it, sad and appalling as it is. First and foremost, we must oppose US aggression in the region, and specifically all attacks on Iran, which the United States has identified as the main enemy. But we must not ignore the fact that the people of Iran have an enemy within their own borders - the message of the latest demonstrations and those of November last year.

First we had the January 7 stampede at the funeral procession for Soleimani in Tehran, when 56 people died. The authorities did not take the necessary measures - according to one reporter, there was no capacity to deal with the more than one million who showed up.

Then we have the regime’s revenge attacks on US forces in Iraq on January 8. From what I can gather, the US knew about it in advance - Tehran had already informed Iraq and Norway, for example, that it was going to attack the two US bases. But every effort was made to ensure that no US or Iraqi citizens would be killed (the only thing the regime does not seem to worry about is the plight of its own citizens). This was a symbolic missile launch, but it is the first time in recent history that a ‘third world’ country has fired missiles at a US base (and got away with it apparently). ...

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1282/no-to-war-no-to-the-regime/
 

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Yeah, that's a bit better. I suppose if she wants to be able to write in Iran she has to be critical of the US, and fair enough too. It isn't like US foreign policy is blameless. On the other hand, if you are talking about "Hands Off the People of Iran" surely that applies more to the Mullahs than the USA atm.

USA: drone strikes 1 Iranian General
Iran: Kills 110 Iranian civilians
USA: Okay, if that's how you want to play this...
 

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USA: drone strikes 1 Iranian General
Iran: Kills 110 Iranian civilians
USA: Okay, if that's how you want to play this...

Lest we forget.


1988 July 03
U.S. warship downs Iranian passenger jet
In the Persian Gulf, the U.S. Navy cruiser Vincennes shoots down an Iranian passenger jet that it mistakes for a hostile Iranian fighter aircraft. Two missiles were fired from the American warship–the aircraft was hit, and all 290 people aboard were killed. The attack came near the end of the Iran-Iraq War, when U.S. vessels were in the gulf defending Kuwaiti oil tankers. Minutes before Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down, the Vincennes had engaged Iranian gunboats that shot at its helicopter.
Iran called the downing of the aircraft a “barbaric massacre,” but U.S. officials defended the action, claiming that the aircraft was outside the commercial jet flight corridor, flying at only 7,800 feet, and was on a descent toward the Vincennes. However, one month later, U.S. authorities acknowledged that the airbus was in the commercial flight corridor, flying at 12,000 feet, and not descending. The U.S. Navy report blamed crew error caused by psychological stress on men who were in combat for the first time. In 1996, the U.S. agreed to pay $62 million in damages to the families of the Iranians killed in the attack.

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USA: drone strikes 1 Iranian General
Iran: Kills 110 Iranian civilians
USA: Okay, if that's how you want to play this...

Lest we forget.


1988 July 03
U.S. warship downs Iranian passenger jet
In the Persian Gulf, the U.S. Navy cruiser Vincennes shoots down an Iranian passenger jet that it mistakes for a hostile Iranian fighter aircraft. Two missiles were fired from the American warship–the aircraft was hit, and all 290 people aboard were killed. The attack came near the end of the Iran-Iraq War, when U.S. vessels were in the gulf defending Kuwaiti oil tankers. Minutes before Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down, the Vincennes had engaged Iranian gunboats that shot at its helicopter.
Iran called the downing of the aircraft a “barbaric massacre,” but U.S. officials defended the action, claiming that the aircraft was outside the commercial jet flight corridor, flying at only 7,800 feet, and was on a descent toward the Vincennes. However, one month later, U.S. authorities acknowledged that the airbus was in the commercial flight corridor, flying at 12,000 feet, and not descending. The U.S. Navy report blamed crew error caused by psychological stress on men who were in combat for the first time. In 1996, the U.S. agreed to pay $62 million in damages to the families of the Iranians killed in the attack.

Citation Information
Article Title
U.S. warship downs Iranian passenger jet
Author
History.com Editors
Website Name
HISTORY
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https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-warship-downs-iranian-passenger-jet
Access Date
17 January 2020
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Last Updated
July 17, 2019
Original Published Date
February 9, 2010
TagsIranAircraft
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Whataboutery from 32 years ago. Really?
 

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nt to play this...

Lest we forget.


1988 July 03
U.S. warship downs Iranian passenger jet
In the Persian Gulf, the U.S. Navy cruiser Vincennes shoots down an Iranian passenger jet that it mistakes for a hostile Iranian fighter aircraft.
Reading even Wikipedia’s account shows that this incident didn’t occur in a vacuum. The sections entitled “Radio Communications” and “Potential Factors” show that the crew of the USS Vincennes were under more stresses and constraints than simply those of combat.

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I have never ever in my life considered pursuing a conspiracy theory, but so many parts of the recent US/Iran events make no strategic sense that based on 40 years in the organizational world it seems likely to me that it was arranged between the two countries. Suleimani was a charismatic star in Iran, had great influence in Iraq, and had good relations with all of those small terrorist and revolutionary groups in the region ( if only because he gave out the funding), and I believe the Iranian leaders were beginning to see him as a threat. The Executive branch needed something big to capture press attention away from its troubles. So an exchange of services was arranged. This is supported by the uselessness of the US action - predictably in Iran an assistant stepped up and continued the current policies within a day - and the strange reaction of the Iranians, who could blow up half the mideast if they wanted, but instead dropped a few missiles on a US airbase after the occupants received adequate warning, then called it a stupendous victory. The Pres got some alternate news, the Iranians posted a warning to over-ambition. Not that I don't think he had it coming, but so many do, and the pentagon had in the past been very concerned about an extreme Iranian reaction to any such action, which has yet to materialize. Of course the Iranians do play a long game.
 

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It's good that Trump isn't trying to up the ante regarding the recent events but his attitude towards injured US troops is a tad bizarre.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday downplayed the injuries suffered by U.S. soldiers during Iran’s attack on a military base in Iraq earlier this month, suggesting he doesn’t consider traumatic brain injuries to be “very serious.”

Trump has said several times that no Americans were hurt when Iran launched a missile attack against Ain al-Asad air base on Jan. 8 in retaliation for U.S. forces killing Iran military leader Qasem Soleimani. But the Pentagon acknowledged last week that 11 U.S. soldiers required medical attention outside of Iraq as a result. Eight suffered concussion-like symptoms and three sought behavior-health treatment. ...

Susan Connors, president and CEO of the Brain Injury Association of America, said in a statement that her group was “disappointed” by Trump’s remarks.

“A brain injury changes the way you move, act, think, and feel ― it has the potential to change who you are at your core,” Connors said. “What could be more serious than that? As the nation’s oldest and largest brain injury advocacy organization, BIAA is disappointed in the President’s characterization of TBI as ‘just a headache’ and especially in his implication that those who sustain TBIs in service for their country are not suffering serious injuries.”

Watch Trump’s full news conference below. His remarks about the soldiers’ injuries begin around the 53-minute mark.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-shrugs-off-soldiers-injuries-iran-attack_n_5e284b30c5b6779e9c2b2081



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-mlk-day-tweet_n_5e26aac3c5b6321176189c34
 

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President Donald Trump on Wednesday downplayed the injuries suffered by U.S. soldiers during Iran’s attack on a military base in Iraq earlier this month, suggesting he doesn’t consider traumatic brain injuries to be “very serious.”
Actually concussion often isn't that big a deal. I have been concussed a couple of times. I suspect most people have. The issue here is that we don't really know how bad the concussion the troops suffered actually was. We do know that nobody has died from it tho. Is it not in the news because it isn't an issue, or because it is? The question hangs unanswered. Even if they all died however, the USA would still be winning by a 10:1 kill ratio. Presently the score is USA 112:0.11 Iran.
 
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The Pentagon confirms that soldiers suffered TBI.
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The Pentagon has said that 34 US troops were diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries (TBI) following an Iranian attack on their base in Iraq.

Seventeen troops are still under medical observation, a spokesman said.

President Donald Trump had said no Americans were injured in the 8 January strike, which came in retaliation for the US killing of an Iranian general. Mr Trump had cited the supposed lack of injuries in his decision not to strike back against Iran.

But last week, the Pentagon said 11 service members had been treated for concussion symptoms from the attack.

Asked about the apparent discrepancy this week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Mr Trump said: "I heard that they had headaches, and a couple of other things, but I would say, and I can report, it's not very serious."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51243888
 

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T.B.I./Concussion can be extremely serious or of effectively negligible importance.

This report says that of the thirty-four affected:

Nine service members are still being treated in Germany. An additional eight service members who had been flown to Germany have since been sent to the United States for additional treatment. The eight service members, who arrived in the US Friday morning, will be treated at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center or at hospitals in their home bases.

Source:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/34-injuries-iran-missile-strike/index.html

From which we can deduce that seventeen were comparatively minor concussions, nine were moderately serious and eight were serious.

Whether or not the White House has the right tone is another matter, but this is a very light accounting (in military terms) for being 'caught' on the receiving end of a modern missile strike. It terms of operational effectiveness and political deterrent, the effect was zero.

The attacks were transparently staged for home consumption in the name of internal stability.
 

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The Pentagon confirms that soldiers suffered TBI.
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The Pentagon has said that 34 US troops were diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries (TBI) following an Iranian attack on their base in Iraq.

Seventeen troops are still under medical observation, a spokesman said.

President Donald Trump had said no Americans were injured in the 8 January strike, which came in retaliation for the US killing of an Iranian general. Mr Trump had cited the supposed lack of injuries in his decision not to strike back against Iran.

But last week, the Pentagon said 11 service members had been treated for concussion symptoms from the attack.

Asked about the apparent discrepancy this week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Mr Trump said: "I heard that they had headaches, and a couple of other things, but I would say, and I can report, it's not very serious."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51243888
We're up from zero, to 11, to 34. Old news, we're up to 50 now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/50-injuries-iran-strike/index.html
 
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Not sure where to put this.





Shadows on the breast area of the space suit tweeted by Iran’s minister for information matched imitation Nasa patches on a children’s Hallowe’en outfit

An Iranian minister has had to apologise for trying to pass off a Hallowe’en costume as the country’s official space suit for future astronauts.

Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi, the minister for information, tweeted a picture of the space suit alongside the national flag before the launch on Sunday of Iran’s Zafar 1 satellite. “Astronaut suit, bright future,” he wrote.

As it happened, Zafar — or victory — crashed in a rural part of southeastern Iran. That embarrassment was dwarfed by the scorn poured on Mr Jahromi online after the suit was examined. Shadows on the breast area, suggesting that something had been removed, matched imitation Nasa patches on a children’s Hallowe’en outfit on sale from Amazon for $20.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six...t-revealed-as-20-hallowe-en-costume-0f09b09zz
 

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Not sure where to put this.





Shadows on the breast area of the space suit tweeted by Iran’s minister for information matched imitation Nasa patches on a children’s Hallowe’en outfit

An Iranian minister has had to apologise for trying to pass off a Hallowe’en costume as the country’s official space suit for future astronauts.

Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi, the minister for information, tweeted a picture of the space suit alongside the national flag before the launch on Sunday of Iran’s Zafar 1 satellite. “Astronaut suit, bright future,” he wrote.

As it happened, Zafar — or victory — crashed in a rural part of southeastern Iran. That embarrassment was dwarfed by the scorn poured on Mr Jahromi online after the suit was examined. Shadows on the breast area, suggesting that something had been removed, matched imitation Nasa patches on a children’s Hallowe’en outfit on sale from Amazon for $20.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six...t-revealed-as-20-hallowe-en-costume-0f09b09zz
lran has a long and comic history of faking this kind of thing, including, but not limited to:

a) lts super new stealth fighter.

b) lts dodgy new ballistic missile.

c) lts other crappy missile.

Still, (c) gave Photoshop artists inspiration:




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I don't think it's just Iran does this kind of thing. Weren't the Chinese (well, not all them - I mean the state broadcaster) caught passing off stills from Top Gun as actual documentary footage some years back? Or did I imagine that?
Yes, and the Russians tried to pass off video game footage as actual arms tests.
 
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