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What has Iran done lately to justify rolling out the carrier?
It isn't just a carrier. It's a carrier group: a buggerton of firepower a few miles off shore.
What has Iran done lately to justify rolling out the carrier?
I thought exactly the same thing about this.Persian Gulf of Tonkin?
I see a grainy black and white image of unknown people in an unknown boat doing something undetermined to an unknown vessel.
It may well transpire to be all that it is claimed to be, but faith is in somewhat short supply in these areas, you understand.
Persian Gulf of Tonkin?
I see a grainy black and white image of unknown people in an unknown boat doing something undetermined to an unknown vessel.
It may well transpire to be all that it is claimed to be, but faith is in somewhat short supply in these areas, you understand.
Yup. I'm not particularly against the use of force, if and when absolutely necessary, and subject to the exhaustion of all other alternatives - but everytime any politician of any persuasion now mentions anything along the lines of 'irrefutable proof' I recall my schoolboy self deploying a stroked chin and a long, drawn out 'Jimmy Hill'.
(Actually, wouldn't it be great if that became an accepted political/diplomatic response in parliament and at the UN and such like. And maybe we could organise a Million 'Jimmy Hill' March. Hold on, I think I've just invented a movement. Step aside Anonymous, it's time to Jimmy Hill the fuck out of this lot.)
Bears all the hallmarks of a false flag op trying to provoke war between the US and Iran.
Remember the USS Liberty attack.
Liberty wasn't a false flag event it was Israeli aggression against the USA
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity."
The obvious aggressor is America, or maybe Israel; trying to curry favour.
Why would Iran attack shipping there, particularly in there own back yard.
Where were the ships coming from and going to ?
And Yes, the crew of one ship reported a 'projectile' hitting the ship.
Why would an Iranian vessel be involved in removing a mine from the tanker ? Easy, so they could trace it back to it's manufacturer. And someone had to remove it. No port is going to let a chemical tanker into port with a magnetic mine clamped to it's hull.
Trump is spoiling for a war,
Hopefully if he manages to start one, New York will be the first place the Iranians take out in retaliation.
The US has got away with hit and run wars for far too long.
I have no wish to see anyone killed, from any country. But maybe it is time the pain was more evenly distributed.
Of course, I expect this post to disappear faster than a politicians promise.
INT21
I don't think Trump is actually looking for a war in spite of his bellicose Tweets. Trump got the Japanese PM to go to Iran as an intermediary. be really crazy of the Iranians to attack ships in that context.
However the NeoCons like Bolton and Pompeo do want war, they are more likely to be behind this.
I don't want to see war in the Gulf and I don't want to see attacks on New York.
I don't want to see war in the Gulf and I don't want to see attacks on New York.
Ramonmercado,
Like you, I do not wish for any more wars to break out anywhere. But I do think that any country that starts a war should be left with wounds to lick, even if they come out on top. Otherwise what is to make them think twice before starting another one ?
The USA has never been hurt in any of its wars as it is geographically isolated from the rest of the world. Yes, thousands of their troops gave their lives in conflicts; but the home, where all the families live, was never hit.
That is an important point worth remembering.
The only other likely country would be Saudi Arabia. Iran's historical enemy.
But Saudi Arabia is too close. Just over the water. It would get badly hurt in any war that resulted.
And Russia and China are allied to Iran. Does donald really wish to upset his two closest buddies, Vlad and Xi ?
No doubt we will eventually find out who did it.
Don't forget the other two ships that were attacked whilst still in port.
INT21.
The USA has never been hurt in any of its wars as it is geographically isolated from the rest of the world.
The obvious aggressor is America...
Trump is spoiling for a war...