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Upcoming DC Comics Adaptations

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Watched the Snyder Cut last night - I really enjoyed it. It did feel like binging a mini series though (it's split into chapters).

The expanded back stories make a huge difference, and Cyborg gets much better deal.

The Epilogue is...err....unusual. Worth it for the F-bomb alone though. I'm saying nothing else.
 

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Watched the Snyder Cut last night - I really enjoyed it. It did feel like binging a mini series though (it's split into chapters).

The expanded back stories make a huge difference, and Cyborg gets much better deal.

The Epilogue is...err....unusual. Worth it for the F-bomb alone though. I'm saying nothing else.
Say a wee bit more, I'd be interested to know if you liked the Whedon version? It's being used as a stick to beat him with now he's persona non grata, but I didn't mind it, it wasn't brilliant, but it was about as good as it could have been in the circumstances. I'm guessing there's no jokes in the Snyder cut? Or not as many?
 

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Say a wee bit more, I'd be interested to know if you liked the Whedon version? It's being used as a stick to beat him with now he's persona non grata, but I didn't mind it, it wasn't brilliant, but it was about as good as it could have been in the circumstances. I'm guessing there's no jokes in the Snyder cut? Or not as many?
I laughed out loud a few times (for the right reasons), but it's a much, much darker film that the Whedon version. I agree with you on that movie - it entertained me but didn't blow me away.

I highly recommend watching the Snyder version. There's more Themiscyra, more Amazons, more Cyborg, more Barry Allen...it's a rare achievement that a four-hour movie leaves you wanting more.

I do say this as a massive DC fan though.
 

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Thanks for that - I know it's not fashionable to be Team DC instead of Team Marvel, and I don't mind either really, but I do gravitate more towards DC's characters. Was never totally convinced by Snyder's take on them, mind you. If I get the chance, I'll give his JL a go.
 

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I punched the air when listening to Mark Kermode's review of Zach Snyder's Justice League when he took down the toxic fandom around it. The fact people - critics - are getting death threats because they didn't like a film is outrageous. Mark said they didn't deserve cinema. He also said the film was better than the Whedon, but a bit boring.

I also saw Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was fab, like a dark Disney fantasy with a princess, magic wishes, and the apocalypse. Gal Gadot may not be a great actress, but she's a great Wonder Woman.
I have no idea how many Zack Snyder/DC cultists there are, enough to cause some bruhaha undoubtedly. Death threats to critics in those circles go back at least as far as The Dark Knight where one critic had the audacity to give it a negative review and take it from 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't think most movie fans, let alone general audiences had even heard of RT at that time. I certainly hadn't.
 

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I have no idea how many Zack Snyder/DC cultists there are, enough to cause some bruhaha undoubtedly. Death threats to critics in those circles go back at least as far as The Dark Knight where one critic had the audacity to give it a negative review and take it from 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't think most movie fans, let alone general audiences had even heard of RT at that time. I certainly hadn't.
Rotten Tomatoes is the worst thing to happen to film criticism and appraisal in the last 20 years. Everything has to be the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, either/or, no room for nuance, for films or TV to be just fine, everything in opinions are utterly polarised, because that site cannot distinguish anything in between Fresh or Rotten.
 

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I read elsewhere that not counting credits and such, this new Justice League movie is 10% slow motion. Even Baywatch didn't manage that.
 

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Rotten Tomatoes is the worst thing to happen to film criticism and appraisal in the last 20 years. Everything has to be the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, either/or, no room for nuance, for films or TV to be just fine, everything in opinions are utterly polarised, because that site cannot distinguish anything in between Fresh or Rotten.
Partially true, there's a big difference between "66% Fresh" and "96% Fresh" for example. "Fresh" arbitrarily begins at 60%, which I suppose is analogous to 3/5 or 6/10, which is where "good" begins on those rating schemes. It's ultimately far too simple and reductive, I agree.

Ladybird had 100% positive scores and one of the later critics to submit a review had his entered as negative, despite being mostly positive - it's the critic who decides, not the site. He did this because "no film deserves 100%" which is a bit twatty, even if I broadly agree.

No one threatened to kill him as far as I'm aware...
 

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Partially true, there's a big difference between "66% Fresh" and "96% Fresh" for example. "Fresh" arbitrarily begins at 60%, which I suppose is analogous to 3/5 or 6/10, which is where "good" begins on those rating schemes. It's ultimately far too simple and reductive, I agree.

Ladybird had 100% positive scores and one of the later critics to submit a review had his entered as negative, despite being mostly positive - it's the critic who decides, not the site. He did this because "no film deserves 100%" which is a bit twatty, even if I broadly agree.

No one threatened to kill him as far as I'm aware...
Those Greta Gerwig fans can be monsters! Nevertheless, it's the perception of films and TV as only good or bad that visitors take away, leaving genuinely interesting work floundering because they have "Rotten" grades. If I want to find out someone's opinion on a film, I read or listen to what they said, the star ratings don't tell you much at all.

Anyway, Warners have come out today to attack the rabid fans of Snyder, so good for them. These "fans" spoil stuff for the rest of us, again, interesting stuff that people are turned off because of the fanaticism around them.
 

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Those Greta Gerwig fans can be monsters! Nevertheless, it's the perception of films and TV as only good or bad that visitors take away, leaving genuinely interesting work floundering because they have "Rotten" grades. If I want to find out someone's opinion on a film, I read or listen to what they said, the star ratings don't tell you much at all.

Anyway, Warners have come out today to attack the rabid fans of Snyder, so good for them. These "fans" spoil stuff for the rest of us, again, interesting stuff that people are turned off because of the fanaticism around them.
There's been much discussion of weather or not a "rotten" score negatively impacts a film's performance. The success of the Transformers films and BvS and Suicide Squad and many other movies, strongly suggest it does not. There are plenty of "Indie darling" type films with 90%+ that do anywhere from very to very poorly for those types of films.

I agree that the ratings tell you little to nothing.
 

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There's been much discussion of weather or not a "rotten" score negatively impacts a film's performance. The success of the Transformers films and BvS and Suicide Squad and many other movies, strongly suggest it does not. There are plenty of "Indie darling" type films with 90%+ that do anywhere from very to very poorly for those types of films.

I agree that the ratings tell you little to nothing.
Sometimes, people just have to ignore the critics. There are plenty of films that have been panned but have still gone on to make a lot of money.
 

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Sometimes, people just have to ignore the critics. There are plenty of films that have been panned but have still gone on to make a lot of money.
The evidence seems to be that people largely, if not overwhelmingly, "ignore the critics". Once again, look at the success of Transformers et al. I think it's more profound than that, Joe average is probably not even aware of critical consensus and I don't know that they would give much of a shit even if they did, not that they should.

Many critically panned films do well, does doing well mean that they aren't shit? Does being panned mean that they are? Something like Fantastic Four (2015) bombed and was panned, is this definitively shit? No doubt some people liked it. Many critically lauded films are ignored by the public, does this mean the films are shit?

I recall a film podcast I listen to discussing this and a listener who worked in a multiplex wrote in to say that at the cinema when the public asked about advice on films, virtually all wanted to know what the most popular film was and most would watch that. The presumption was something like "this must the best one."
 

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I like to read and hear the critics, because they make me think about the films, it starts a discussion even if it's just in my mind. Not every critic is great at their job, of course, but enough of them are to prove talking about film is better than just sitting there as a passive consumer. Engage, as Sir Patrick Stewart said a few times.
 

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The trailer for the new Suicide Squad sequel is out. I didn't much care for the first one, this is not looking better.
 
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