Why Haven't Aliens Contacted Us Yet? (Fermi Paradox)

Do you think there is a drip drip scenario going on?

A few years ago when they found some microbes (they may not have been) but the world went crazy could you imagine the reaction is we found intelligent life? Or if intelligent life found us?

I think it would actually lead to the collapse of the materialistic world, just like if reincarnation or the afterlife was 100% proved. people would just give up on the rat race
I think once the initial shock died down, people would just normalise it... yeah there are intelligent aliens 1000 light years away, but how does that affect me in my everyday life?
 
I think once the initial shock died down, people would just normalise it... yeah there are intelligent aliens 1000 light years away, but how does that affect me in my everyday life?
I agree. I think, for years, people have overestimated the consequences to our society of discovering intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Obviously, if it turns up here the impact will depend on its intentions. But most likely it'll be distant, and the most important change will be to our estimates of the density of life and civilisations in the cosmos. Everyone who's not involved in that research or obsessed with assigning spiritual value to everything will soon get back to proving that, on Earth anyway, intelligence is rare.
 
I think once the initial shock died down, people would just normalise it... yeah there are intelligent aliens 1000 light years away, but how does that affect me in my everyday life?
Maybe but does that not depend on the degree of interaction ?

I mean knowing about intelligent life (how would we know 100% if there was no attempt to communicate) and communicating with it are quite different, you would presume if it had the ability to get here it would be much more advanced than human civilization, historically human civilization has not fared well when it meets with a so called more advanced civilization (for more advanced read better weapons)
 
We seem to be edging closer to definitive evidence of some form of extraterrestrial life:

"Nasa's James Webb Space Telescope may have discovered tentative evidence of a sign of life on a faraway planet.
It may have detected a molecule called dimethyl sulphide (DMS). On Earth, at least, this is only produced by life."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66786611
Also mentioned in this thread,
https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...ble-life-on-faraway-world.70748/#post-2290947
and this thread
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/astronomical-news.19841/page-51#post-2290837

The dimethyl sulphide is probably a false positive, but it would be nice if it were a real positive. Unfortunately we probably won't be able to tell using the current state of technology.
 
Maybe but does that not depend on the degree of interaction ?

I mean knowing about intelligent life (how would we know 100% if there was no attempt to communicate) and communicating with it are quite different, you would presume if it had the ability to get here it would be much more advanced than human civilization, historically human civilization has not fared well when it meets with a so called more advanced civilization (for more advanced read better weapons)
I feel this discussion keeps repeating the same way over and again. Aye, if they turn up on our doorstep, the effects on us will be entirely down to them. I doubt we'd be enslaved. Human slaves would be useless compared to sufficiently advanced machines. I doubt we'd be food. If they're sophisticated enough to get here they've probably cracked food production in whatever forms they need it. If they can breathe our air and want Earth for expansion of their own civilization, they'll probably want rid of us. I'd suggest releasing some kind of probe swarm in the atmosphere to seek us out and eradicate us. We'd probably never see it coming and would have no defence. Little point in them modifying the planet to their biology as the most valuable thing Earth has going for it is its biosphere. But if they can't live in our atmosphere or modify themselves to do so, and Earth really does suit their needs in every other way, their job is even easier. Giant atmospheric processors land on Earth to change our atmosphere, and we'd all die, and they can start replacing our biosphere with lifeforms taken from their own.

So, yes, if they turn up here, we would probably stop being so materialistic, and generally so alive.
 
I feel this discussion keeps repeating the same way over and again. Aye, if they turn up on our doorstep, the effects on us will be entirely down to them. I doubt we'd be enslaved. Human slaves would be useless compared to sufficiently advanced machines. I doubt we'd be food. If they're sophisticated enough to get here they've probably cracked food production in whatever forms they need it. If they can breathe our air and want Earth for expansion of their own civilization, they'll probably want rid of us. I'd suggest releasing some kind of probe swarm in the atmosphere to seek us out and eradicate us. We'd probably never see it coming and would have no defence. Little point in them modifying the planet to their biology as the most valuable thing Earth has going for it is its biosphere. But if they can't live in our atmosphere or modify themselves to do so, and Earth really does suit their needs in every other way, their job is even easier. Giant atmospheric processors land on Earth to change our atmosphere, and we'd all die, and they can start replacing our biosphere with lifeforms taken from their own.

So, yes, if they turn up here, we would probably stop being so materialistic, and generally so alive.
Most Fortean discussions tend to repeat over time

My suspicion is that they have not communicated with us, because they don't know how to, perhaps some of the more bizarre stuff we see is their attempts to communicate
 
The answer is - if the alien life in question is moss/lichen on a rock, it won't respond to our existence.
 
Most Fortean discussions tend to repeat over time

My suspicion is that they have not communicated with us, because they don't know how to, perhaps some of the more bizarre stuff we see is their attempts to communicate
Interstellar communication is a real problem. Even if we can communicate, civilisations end in the timescales in which we can respond to a, 'Hi there,' with a, 'Hey, how're you getting on?' If they're already here, of course, then we need to ask what their motives are for hiding from us. I don't buy that an interstellar species has no way to communicate effectively with a species that can't possibly be of any threat to them.
 
Interstellar communication is a real problem. Even if we can communicate, civilisations end in the timescales in which we can respond to a, 'Hi there,' with a, 'Hey, how're you getting on?' If they're already here, of course, then we need to ask what their motives are for hiding from us. I don't buy that an interstellar species has no way to communicate effectively with a species that can't possibly be of any threat to them.
Have you ever tried talking to ants?
 
I doubt we'd be food. If they're sophisticated enough to get here they've probably cracked food production in whatever forms they need it. If they can breathe our air and want Earth for expansion of their own civilization, they'll probably want rid of us.
They might be into hunting, like The Predator. Or they might like to eat food that is 'free range'.

They might just have a quiet word with all world leaders and strike a deal for slow reduction in the human race. CO2 reduction/reduced plant growth, weakened population, lower IQs, chems in the water to induce infertility...
 
They might be into hunting, like The Predator. Or they might like to eat food that is 'free range'.

They might just have a quiet word with all world leaders and strike a deal for slow reduction in the human race. CO2 reduction/reduced plant growth, weakened population, lower IQs, chems in the water to induce infertility...
There would be quite some irony if we were hunted as prized game, with the finest specimens stuffed and mounted over the fireplace in some intergalactic club!
 
Or they might like to eat food that is 'free range'.
It is not really very likely that they would be able to eat us as food, or that we could eat them. Unless they have very sophisticated culinary technology, which is certainly possible.

They might just have a quiet word with all world leaders and strike a deal for slow reduction in the human race.
Or they could transplant humans throughout the galaxy. Meeting a sufficiently advanced alien civilisation could be the start of a massive population explosion for each contacted species, assuming that the civilisation values cultural diversity above anything else. Of course, even if the advanced civilisation merely introduces us into a vast multispecies post-scarcity utopia, there would still be some people complaining because the human species no longer has the freedom to destroy itself.
 
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It is not really very likely that they would be able to eat us as food, or that we could eat them. Unless they have very sophisticated culinary technology, which is certainly possible.


Or they could transplant humans throughout the galaxy. Meeting a sufficiently advanced alien civilisation could be the start of a massive population explosion for each contacted species, assuming that the civilisation values cultural diversity above anything else. Of course, even if the advanced civilisation merely introduces us into a vast multispecies post-scarcity utopia, there would still be some people complaining because the human species no longer has the freedom to destroy itself.
...Or because we are considered so aggressive and warlike, use our young as soldiers in their wars, in exchange for some tech - maybe a bit a fusion help, improved longevity, nano tech for health, etc- just enough to keep us useful - but without letting us out of the Solar system...?
 
With any luck they will take our nuclear toys off us, I would trust them more than the looneys that have their fingers on the button at the moment.
 
It is not really very likely that they would be able to eat us as food, or that we could eat them. Unless they have very sophisticated culinary technology, which is certainly possible.


Or they could transplant humans throughout the galaxy. Meeting a sufficiently advanced alien civilisation could be the start of a massive population explosion for each contacted species, assuming that the civilisation values cultural diversity above anything else. Of course, even if the advanced civilisation merely introduces us into a vast multispecies post-scarcity utopia, there would still be some people complaining because the human species no longer has the freedom to destroy itself.

Humans would be ideal, as a spices we are very adaptable perhaps Earth is a a research facility
 
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