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If that is true, that would invalidate all of their data. All.
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It could be seen as desperate need to validate the IPCC’s RCP 8.5 scenario (an unlikely worst case, the 'we're all gonna die' scenario). However, we've already passed a point where this is clearly NOT occurring.
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The luxury coastal properties bought by the various climate change advocates have not been submerged...yet. And likely never will.
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From the website surfacestations.org, here are two examples from opposite ends of the reliability spectrum:
Note the (un)remarkable difference in temperature results over the years.
surfacestations has examined over 80% of the USA’s weather stations of this type, and far too many for my taste are type B.
Is the climate changing? Yes, as it has always and will always do.
Are humans influencing this to a noticeable degree? No.
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It’s not presented as 'scientific fact'. Climate computer modelling is just that - forecasting based on trends since records started. It’s not ‘just guess work’ - there’s a bit more to climate modelling than that. Whether you believe it or not is a different matter.
Now you seem to be speculating that perhaps people are causing or adding to global warming for financial gain. Who would really gain from deliberate global warming apart from the air conditioning industry & ice cream vendors such as our very own Swifty? Perhaps he’s part of the scam - I always had my suspicions.
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Those pics don't display for me.From the website surfacestations.org, here are two examples from opposite ends of the reliability spectrum:
Note the (un)remarkable difference in temperature results over the years.
surfacestations has examined over 80% of the USA’s weather stations of this type, and far too many for my taste are type B.
Is the climate changing? Yes, as it has always and will always do.
Are humans influencing this to a noticeable degree? No.
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The rapidly-growing carbon trading market? It's a way for the super-wealthy to move money around, or even to launder dirty money.
It's another market, sitting alongside share trading, gambling, NFTs and digital currency speculation. Another way to suck money out of the wallets of poor wage slaves.
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They’re fine for me.
They’re from Page 1 of the surfacestations site.
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That's due in large part to the fact MO hasn't mastered (nor, it seems, attempted to master ... ) the simple act of using attachments rather than relying on remote image links.
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Yes. But reliable weather station records only started 150 - or at most 200 - years ago. It's like trying to extract my age from my last toenail clipping - actually, far worse than that. We do have geological and dendrochronogical records that prove that we are currently on a climate interstice that has gone on for the (geologically) very short period of 10,000 years or so. Normally the planet is either colder or - more usually - warmer than it currently is. It actually would be better for all if we are on the way to a warmer climate (with adequate CO2) than a last kick of the last ice age - look up the number of extinctions in its previous cycle if you don't believe me.
To imagine you can understand future climate changes from the tiny amount of data from weather stations is firstly enormous hubris on the part of so-called climate scientists, and secondly ignores all the available information from other disciplines.
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The first 2 don't display. The ones at the bottom do.
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Ditto.
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Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colorado, on Friday told the Democratic Caucus that climate change is on track to be the biggest world threat.
Jason claims that climate change will make other world problems take a “ back seat “.
Jason claims that climate change will make other world problems take a “ back seat “.
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He's a politician. I say no more unless it should get me in trouble with our lovely mods.
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Yes, and I agree with you, the earth goes through cycles of its own, has been for millenia.
Totally agree!
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OK ... Here's why that is. Let me explain the mechanics of posting images ...
There are two separate locations within a post where an image can visibly appear to someone browsing the forum:
- the location within the body of the post where the posting member designated the image to be placed (hereafter "placement"); and
- a default location at the bottom of the visible post where attachments that have not been given a placement within the body of the post are also visible.
Images given a placement within the post body are visible at full size just by accessing the post (e.g., while browsing). If an attached image is given a placement within the post body it is not redundantly displayed as an attachment icon at the bottom of the post.
If the placement consists only of a link to a remote source, the image won't appear until and unless the forum server can drag it in from its remote location while assembling the post's display. If the remote image is removed or its posted link becomes "bad" or "dead" it is lost forever (unless I or another mod wastes time tracking it down and restoring it as an attachment).
Images attached, but not given any placement, can only be seen full size / complete by clicking on the image's attachment icon at the bottom of the post.
For an attached image to have a placement within the body of a post the image must first be attached (uploaded by the poster to the forum) and then inserted into the desired placement within the post's body (using the "insert" control in the upper left-hand corner of the attachment icon).
Uploading an image file to serve as an attachment requires either:
- capturing / downloading the image on your device, then selecting it within the "Attach files" dialogue; or ...
- dragging the image into the post / text draft you're editing.
The dragging option is not guaranteed to work on all devices, nor is it guaranteed to be as simple as dragging the image from the remote website display.
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Those scientists who support man made climate change won't accept any other possibility than what their models show. That by definition means they are presenting the climate modelling as a scientific fact. There may causes of climate change that are beyond the known boundaries of climate science but science only accepts what science knows.
There's also the huge amounts of money being thrown at any research that supports CO2 levels causing climate change. Any research that points to the opposite has their funding stopped. Of course various petrochemical set out to also deny CO2 is a cause of climate change but the shout then instantly goes out that it's a vested interest. The same isn't applied to research groups paid to support the government narrative.
There are vast huge amounts of money to be made from the CO2 narrative. Carbon Credits is one. Carbon Offset is another. They are traded on stock markets world wide. The Rampion wind farm off the coast off Brighton was financed with £3.8bn of Government money and three energy companies are the shareholders. They are set to make a fortune with guaranteed profits subsidised partly by the levy on all energy bills. As the cost of energy rises, so do their projected profits. Worldwide the money to be made via the CO2 narrative is in the trillions. Bearing in mind big business and big money dictates often what science 'proves', why would any research want to do anything but support the accepted theories?
Also, as an aside:
Years ago I remember watching the news and it was about scientists analysing a tiny bubble of air inside a piece of amber and they were shocked to find the CO2 levels were much, much higher than they are today.
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Yes but these types are speculating & gaming a system for financial gain in a similar way the very rich are able to do in other markets like futures etc. I don't think they’re deliberately burning things on a massive scale in an attempt to add to global warming.
The very rich will always find ways of making even more. They’re able to employ the smartest people who are specialists these areas & they have no compunction when it comes to making money.
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My point was that is there is huge money in global warming. Not that they are adding to it to make money. They are making money from it so it's in their interests to make sure that the narrative is maintained. Especially when considering the sums involved. Whether it's true or not, that CO2 causes global warming doesn't matter to them, is of no consequence. Science follows the money as well in one way or another. It's a basic principle and a foundation of this society. Consumerism and profit before all else with the new God, science, there to give it credence.
It's in the same vein that mobile phones were invented for the good of mankind and help people communicate better and easier. I remember the advertisiing. No, they were invented for profit first yet sold to us for altruistic reasons. Any bad effects get swept under the carpet by the so called science. Where ever you look with big business, it's the same story yet with CO2, it's somehow different?
It's in the same vein that mobile phones were invented for the good of mankind and help people communicate better and easier. I remember the advertisiing. No, they were invented for profit first yet sold to us for altruistic reasons. Any bad effects get swept under the carpet by the so called science. Where ever you look with big business, it's the same story yet with CO2, it's somehow different?
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And are also still contributing to global warming as they are classed as a greenhouse gas, according to the science.
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I have to disagree with the idea that US military has any influence on the immediate weather. The recent weather (over the last twenty years) has been as haphazard as it ever has been over the US Continent. Seeding clouds to initiate rain over the West coast would have been a practical application of any technical influence that the US military has. I have resigned that idea into the 'Goat staring folder' some time ago. YMMV.
Also I find a 'right click' on an image elsewhere (eg in a news article) opens a drop-down from which I select "copy image", and then go to the text area of the post I'm creating and 'paste*' that image into the spot within the post where I want to place it.
(* again either with a 'right click' and selecting 'paste' from the menu, or using the keyboard shortcut ctrl+v)
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Make your mind up - only yesterday you said:
You’re now disagreeing with your very own speculation.
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That approach is even more dependent on your device and software than the drag-the-image approach.
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My point is still the same, that there is huge money to be made from climate change whether it is man made either as a result of human activity or caused by the 'elite' or a natural cyclical event or completely fabricated.
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Climate change is seemingly a regular occurrence on our planet, even in the times of the dinosaurs:
Two hundred and thirty-four million years ago a path was cleared by climate change for the dinosaurs’ eventual dominance—propelling a previously unimpressive tribe toward greatness, like a band of ragged but resourceful Romans overthrowing the Etruscans. If our species is in the late stages of empire, for whom are we clearing a path?
The crisis started with a familiar culprit. Two hundred and thirty-four million years ago, gigantic pulses of carbon dioxide erupted into the atmosphere from volcanoes at the bottom of the ocean—volcanoes whose frozen magma today can be found on the other side of the planet, grafted onto the side of British Columbia. This earthly belch of CO2 drove intense bouts of global warming, ocean acidification, mass extinction, and, most notably, a barrage of extreme rainfall and mountain-flattening mega-monsoons still visible in rocks around the world.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/dinosaurs-dolomites/573286/
A Climate Catastrophe Paved the Way for the Dinosaurs’ Reign
Two hundred and thirty-four million years ago a path was cleared by climate change for the dinosaurs’ eventual dominance—propelling a previously unimpressive tribe toward greatness, like a band of ragged but resourceful Romans overthrowing the Etruscans. If our species is in the late stages of empire, for whom are we clearing a path?
The crisis started with a familiar culprit. Two hundred and thirty-four million years ago, gigantic pulses of carbon dioxide erupted into the atmosphere from volcanoes at the bottom of the ocean—volcanoes whose frozen magma today can be found on the other side of the planet, grafted onto the side of British Columbia. This earthly belch of CO2 drove intense bouts of global warming, ocean acidification, mass extinction, and, most notably, a barrage of extreme rainfall and mountain-flattening mega-monsoons still visible in rocks around the world.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/dinosaurs-dolomites/573286/
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Wow, is that from the 80s??