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If that is true, that would invalidate all of their data. All.
It could be seen as desperate need to validate the IPCC’s RCP 8.5 scenario (an unlikely worst case, the 'we're all gonna die' scenario). However, we've already passed a point where this is clearly NOT occurring.If that is true, that would invalidate all of their data. All.
The luxury coastal properties bought by the various climate change advocates have not been submerged...yet. And likely never will.It could be seen as desperate need to validate the IPCC’s RCP 8.5 scenario (an unlikely worst case, the 'we're all gonna die' scenario). However, we've already passed a point where this is clearly NOT occurring.
I haven't checked the veracity of the claim made below…
It’s not presented as 'scientific fact'. Climate computer modelling is just that - forecasting based on trends since records started. It’s not ‘just guess work’ - there’s a bit more to climate modelling than that. Whether you believe it or not is a different matter.Their computer models are just guess work presented as scientific fact.
Now you seem to be speculating that perhaps people are causing or adding to global warming for financial gain. Who would really gain from deliberate global warming apart from the air conditioning industry & ice cream vendors such as our very own Swifty? Perhaps he’s part of the scam - I always had my suspicions.What if it's the other way round, it's them that is causing or adding to global warming to keep the money rolling in? It may be true, it may not be but it's worth considering.
Those pics don't display for me.From the website surfacestations.org, here are two examples from opposite ends of the reliability spectrum:
Note the (un)remarkable difference in temperature results over the years.
surfacestations has examined over 80% of the USA’s weather stations of this type, and far too many for my taste are type B.
Is the climate changing? Yes, as it has always and will always do.
Are humans influencing this to a noticeable degree? No.
maximus otter
The rapidly-growing carbon trading market? It's a way for the super-wealthy to move money around, or even to launder dirty money.Now you seem to be speculating that perhaps people are causing or adding to global warming for financial gain. Who would really gain from deliberate global warming apart from the air conditioning industry & ice cream vendors such as our very own Swifty?
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Yes. But reliable weather station records only started 150 - or at most 200 - years ago. It's like trying to extract my age from my last toenail clipping - actually, far worse than that. We do have geological and dendrochronogical records that prove that we are currently on a climate interstice that has gone on for the (geologically) very short period of 10,000 years or so. Normally the planet is either colder or - more usually - warmer than it currently is. It actually would be better for all if we are on the way to a warmer climate (with adequate CO2) than a last kick of the last ice age - look up the number of extinctions in its previous cycle if you don't believe me.It’s not presented as 'scientific fact'. Climate computer modelling is just that - forecasting based on trends since records started. It’s not ‘just guess work’ - there’s a bit more to climate modelling than that. Whether you believe it or not is a different matter.
Now you seem to be speculating that perhaps people are causing or adding to global warming for financial gain. Who would really gain from deliberate global warming apart from the air conditioning industry & ice cream vendors such as our very own Swifty? Perhaps he’s part of the scam - I always had my suspicions.
The first 2 don't display. The ones at the bottom do.Try again.
maximus otter
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He's a politician. I say no more unless it should get me in trouble with our lovely mods.Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colorado, on Friday told the Democratic Caucus that climate change is on track to be the biggest world threat.
Jason claims that climate change will make other world problems take a “ back seat “.
Yes, and I agree with you, the earth goes through cycles of its own, has been for millenia.He's a politician. I say no more unless it should get me in trouble with our lovely mods.
Totally agree!Yes, and I agree with you, the earth goes through cycles of its own, has been for millenia.
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Ditto.
Those scientists who support man made climate change won't accept any other possibility than what their models show. That by definition means they are presenting the climate modelling as a scientific fact. There may causes of climate change that are beyond the known boundaries of climate science but science only accepts what science knows.It’s not presented as 'scientific fact'. Climate computer modelling is just that - forecasting based on trends since records started. It’s not ‘just guess work’ - there’s a bit more to climate modelling than that. Whether you believe it or not is a different matter.
Now you seem to be speculating that perhaps people are causing or adding to global warming for financial gain. Who would really gain from deliberate global warming apart from the air conditioning industry & ice cream vendors such as our very own Swifty? Perhaps he’s part of the scam - I always had my suspicions.
Yes but these types are speculating & gaming a system for financial gain in a similar way the very rich are able to do in other markets like futures etc. I don't think they’re deliberately burning things on a massive scale in an attempt to add to global warming.The rapidly-growing carbon trading market? It's a way for the super-wealthy to move money around, or even to launder dirty money.
It's another market, sitting alongside share trading, gambling, NFTs and digital currency speculation. Another way to suck money out of the wallets of poor wage slaves.
And are also still contributing to global warming as they are classed as a greenhouse gas, according to the science.Fridges and aerosols used CFCs which were depleting our ozone layer:
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/ar...es-found-to-be-leaking-ozone-destroying-cfcs/
I have to disagree with the idea that US military has any influence on the immediate weather. The recent weather (over the last twenty years) has been as haphazard as it ever has been over the US Continent. Seeding clouds to initiate rain over the West coast would have been a practical application of any technical influence that the US military has. I have resigned that idea into the 'Goat staring folder' some time ago. YMMV.I haven't checked the veracity of the claim made below.
Uploading an image file to serve as an attachment requires either:
- capturing / downloading the image on your device, then selecting it within the "Attach files" dialogue; or ...
- dragging the image into the post / text draft you're editing.
Make your mind up - only yesterday you said:My point was that is there is huge money in global warming. Not that they are adding to it to make money.
What if it's the other way round, it's them that is causing or adding to global warming to keep the money rolling in? It may be true, it may not be but it's worth considering.
Also I find a 'right click' on an image elsewhere (eg in a news article) opens a drop-down from which I select "copy image", and then go to the text area of the post I'm creating and 'paste*' that image into the spot within the post where I want to place it.
(* again either with a 'right click' and selecting 'paste' from the menu, or using the keyboard shortcut ctrl+v)
My point is still the same, that there is huge money to be made from climate change whether it is man made either as a result of human activity or caused by the 'elite' or a natural cyclical event or completely fabricated.Make your mind up - only yesterday you said:
You’re now disagreeing with your very own speculation.
Doing my bit for global warming by keeping the old stuff going!device and software
Wow, is that from the 80s??