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Well, he made "man" in his image, and everyone knows that every word in the Bible is factual, so.....
barfing_pumpkin said:However, God exists outside of the space-time continuum, and thus He knows from the beginning what the results of every Free Will decision will be, and can act accordingly.
But that's not really free will, is it? Free will, by definition, demands a degree of unpredictablility. Otherwise, we're just going through a set of predetermined motions - which beggars the question as to why god should judge us upon something over which we have no control.
morningstar667 said:"God" is a he? Prove it :lol:
morningstar667 said:"God" is a "HE"? Nonsense, this patriarchal viewpoint is hard wired into it too....
OldTimeRadio said:morningstar667 said:"God" is a "HE"? Nonsense, this patriarchal viewpoint is hard wired into it too....
Excuse me, but all I said was that Jesus Christ used "He" in referring to the Godhead. If we're allowed to be Christians at all we surely must be allowed to quote the founder of the firm.
RainyOcean said:Well, he made "man" in his image, and everyone knows that every word in the Bible is factual, so.....
According to Judaeo-Christian theology, God stands at the beginning, the middle and the end of time, at all points along the line, at any given instant. Thus he sees every free-will action I will make tomorrow, but he sees it from the distant past, from today, from tomorrow, from the end of time.
barfing_pumpkin said:In effect, it means that some people are pre-destined as having no chance of entering the kingdom of heaven. Which leaves us with the question of upon what basis god is supposed to judge them.
gncxx said:Honestly, there's no pleasing some people.
Yes, but they are pre-destined by their own choice. Knowing that a given event will transpire in the future is simply not the same thing as creating or even desiring that event.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
barfing_pumpkin said:Could God therefore intervene and change said event, before it happens?
Not without violating the very idea of Free Will, which God established..
barfing_pumpkin said:So if he can't violate free will, he's not omnipotent, is he. :tongue:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
Hence the blinkers.OldTimeRadio said:Alas, I am an Judeao-Christian and not an Epicurean.
Pietro_Mercurios said:Hence the blinkers.OldTimeRadio said:Alas, I am an Judeao-Christian and not an Epicurean.
"Can not" is the common locution. But the sense is WILL NOT.
synchronicity said:In fact, if my failing memory serves, most if not all of them agreed that AIDS was God's way of rebuking gays.
But then, what do I know. I'm a lefty pinko socialist liberal--and God help me, a Catholic. (In their opinions--and I betcha the Rev. Mr. Phelps's--that alone will leave me roasting for all time.)
squarepeg1 said:I sent them an email a couple of weeks ago asking them which version of the Bible they use.
squarepeg1 said:Everyone is doomed except for the" Westboro Baptist Saints". Robertson and Falwell are/were gay-enablers by spreading the belief that "God loves Everyone." Apparently this is an untruth and they are dooming the people who believe what they are saying.
I sent them an email a couple of weeks ago asking them which version of the Bible they use. I've got an old King James version that is missing the entire New Testament. Before you ask, yes, I was polite. I did mention that I have a problem with God saying "Dude,..." I very much doubt that I'll ever hear from them as I am , no doubt, just another doomed gay-enabler as I haven't gone out and killed any gay people.