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What do you think is the most likely ?

  • The Ripper was a Freemason?

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • The Ripper had medical knowledge?

    Votes: 10 13.9%
  • It was Maybrick?

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • The Ripper was 'of the same class' as his victims?

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • The Ripper was foreign?

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • It was Druitt?

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • None of the suspects yet put forward?

    Votes: 17 23.6%
  • It was a woman?

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Another?

    Votes: 19 26.4%

  • Total voters
    72
Not sure if anyone has already mentioned this site (and I'm not about to read the whole thread again!) but here's the "official" Metropolitan Police Service History take on the Ripper murders -

http://www.met.police.uk/history/ripper.htm

I only bring it up because a friend of mine recently visited the "black museum" at Scotland Yard (now called the crime museum) and mentioned that he saw some Ripper evidence that he'd never seen before - he's not an expert though...
 
Still...

What little girl wouldn't look the darling cuddled up with that charming doll as she sleeps with a half-smile on her innocent face, awaiting Santa?

And of course what could look spiffier on one's desk, especially 'round Yuletide, when red blends so well with the festive motif? Every boss should have one, methinks.
 
john pope de locksley theory

Posted on Behalf of JPL OF London Horror Tours.

Dr Morgan Davies was a medical man at the London Hospital in Whitechapel where he was born , in Castle St--now Goring st Houndsditch ,in 1888. On 26 Dec 1888 Dr Stephenson reported to Inspector Roots, stating that in November he had been taken ill and was in the LH.
Dr Davies claimed that certain facts about the Rippers attacks on his victims had been suppressed. Browns report supports this.The only people who knew this were the Ripper, the police,Dr Davies and Dr Stephenson.
No report about Dr Davies exists, no mention by Lushington Anderson chewing over the real facts. Roots report stated to Abberline that he must considere that Davies, returning home after Stride and Eddowes butchered her and put her body in a bag. She was a tall lady as most East enders were only 5 foor tall.)

To Be Continued.

These are the Views of Dr John Pope DE Locksley, London Horror Tours Propriator
 
Clews

Any clues as to what was suppressed? Or how suppressed facts might alter our view of the case?
 
Sorry, I must be missing something, because I can't make sense of that.

Davies butchered who and put her in a bag after he killed Stride and Eddowes?:confused:

(edit) - I'm assuming the suppressed evidence is the allegation that Kelly was anally raped? If so, this is a little difficult, since no post mortem report of Kelly states she wasn't anally raped, but then it's not likely to. And it doesn't say she was. So it seems a bit of a leap to assume she was and it was suppressed.
 
Well I'm not sure if I can answer for JPL as I am no Ripper expert though of course I know the main theme--i'LL send the replies to jpl and maybe he can answer, though it may take a few days !! and later on this evening I'll finish the posting, but too busy just now

on behalf of Joh Pope de Locksley
 
Sad Fact

Helen said:
Sorry, I must be missing something, because I can't make sense of that.

Davies butchered who and put her in a bag after he killed Stride and Eddowes?:confused:

(edit) - I'm assuming the suppressed evidence is the allegation that Kelly was anally raped? If so, this is a little difficult, since no post mortem report of Kelly states she wasn't anally raped, but then it's not likely to. And it doesn't say she was. So it seems a bit of a leap to assume she was and it was suppressed.

Hate to say it but I'd find that detail almost irrelevant unless it somehow gave us more evidence pointing toward someone. I'd think anal sex would not be at all rare among that crowd, it being better than getting pregnant and easier to acceed to than more complicated things.

I'd have to think this suppressed information is more important somehow.
 
continues

thee seems to be a bit missing....anyway,to continue John Pope de Locksley's theory


"I have been asked to contribute to two books on Jack the Ripper by Skinner to be seen in the near future.
Abberline would have fried the you know what. Anderson told his relatives it was a hot potato did he share in a bribe?
Abberline knew him and I indetified him by Hutchinson--he was non other than Davies!And what of Mary Jane Kelly? Barult said she lived with a man called Moregandaviesstone and ends married to a man called Davies. Maybe he was confused and Morgandavies was what Kelly wa telling him. No murder is infallible, the clkues are always a case of finding them,the central news agency had been founded on the apron,not that the ears were cut as in teh Wicks tv version.


Abberline knew on his bribes he retired from the plice in 1892 and went to live in Bournemouth(ring any bells about that !!!!)
when his invetigation was under attack he suggested Klowkdsky as a suspect, after a royal.We do not want some bright sparks reassessing his works they might just find the you know what clue to Davies from Stephenson like he did and he would be in hit water!!!
Davies died in 1920 Abberline in 1929.

End.
 
I always assumed playing Scrabble and dropping acid were two mutually exclusive pastimes.
 
Spook said:
I always assumed playing Scrabble and dropping acid were two mutually exclusive pastimes.
Apparently not! :D
 
Re: continues

barbara green said:
thee seems to be a bit missing....anyway,to continue John Pope de Locksley's theory

"I have been asked to contribute to two books on Jack the Ripper by Skinner to be seen in the near future."

End.


Poor Keith: he'll have his work cut out editing de Locksley's copy.
 
Ripper Conference?

icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/content_objectid=13305203_method=full_siteid=50061_headline=-Ripping-time-for-amateur-sleuths-name_page.html

I'm sorry, can't seem to get the url to work, it's an article from Regional News at the I.C. Liverpool site.


Ripping time for amateur sleuths
Aug 18 2003

By Matt Withers Daily Post Staff
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HUNDREDS of amateur historians, would-be sleuths and armchair detectives gathered in Liverpool this weekend for the national conference of Jack the Ripper fanatics.

It is 115 years since the five grisly slayings of prostitutes in London's Whitechapel, but people across the world still have a macabre fascination in the case.

Devotees even have an academic name for themselves - ripperology.

The event, held every two years, took place in Liverpool this year because of a string of connections the city has with the murder.

Several of the key suspects had lived on Merseyside, while a diary was discovered in the early 1990s in which a Liverpool merchant apparently admitted to the killings.

Liverpool - born Christopher George, the North American editor of Ripperologist magazine, said: "It's quite possible that the Ripper, whoever he was, may well have travelled through Liverpool.

"We do have major Ripper suspects from the city.

"William Gladstone, the former Prime Minister, was born here. He may be kind of unlikely because he was 80 years of age, but they do say he was very robust and able to chop trees down at his country estate in Chester.

"Dr Francis Tumblety, an American suspect, tried to set up a medical practice here in 1874, but was attacked by the Liverpool press, while a lot of people think that Frederick Deeming, who murdered his wife and four children in 1874, could have been the Ripper.

"The major development of recent years was the Maybrick Diary, which came to light in Liverpool in 1993, and in which James Maybrick confessed to the killings. My personal view of that was that it was a practical joke."

The three-day conference, held at the Britannia Adelphi Hotel, is an opportunity for ripperologists to get together and argue about theories and evidence. It is also a money-spinner for a healthy Ripper industry, with everything from books to dolls available.

The event is hosted by TV presenter Jeremy Beadle, himself an expert on the killings, and was attended by people from as far afield as the US and Germany.

Ripperologist editor Paul Begg says the appeal of the case was its mystery.

He said: "I think there's an element for a lot of people of liking to play armchair detective - reading the books, getting the evidence and putting it together like some sort of jigsaw. Some people specialise in one area of ripperology, such as pubs in the area."

CITY LINKS TO MURDERS

THE Jack the Ripper conference is held every two years, each time in a different location connected to the infamous killings.

Liverpool has a string of links to the murders, for whom the number of suspects long ago surpassed the number o f victims.

The most famous is the socalled 'Maybrick Diary', the diaries of Liverpool cotton merchant James Maybrick, in which he apparently confesses to be the Ripper. Maybrick, pictured, died in mysterious circumstances in Aigburth in 1889.

The diary appeared in 1993, five years after the centenary of the killings. Michael Barrett, then a 40-year-old unemployed scrap dealer from Anfield, claimed that the diary had been passed on to him by Tony Devereux, a drinking friend.

The diary purported to cover a year in the life of Maybrick, in which he killed the prostitutes as a sort of revenge for his wife having an affair.

The general feeling in the ripperologist community is that it is a forgery. The Poste House pub in Cumberland Street is mentioned, for example, even though it bore a different name when the diary is supposed to have been written.
 
Jeremy Beadle is more than enough to keep me away...

The Adelphi - isn't that the hotel that was completely damned by one of those 'True Life' programmes a couple of years ago? Apparently the hotel manager is rather obnoxious, the place is grossly overpriced, and generally everything is rather appalling. ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!
 
Ripped

Not familiar with Mr. Beadle but I believe you're spared this bit of Adelphic snootery by the fact that the event is a fait accompli.

And next year you can show up and tweak the Beadle's probiscus, hm?
 
Jeremy Beadle is an irritating television personality, who's rise to infamy was through a 'Candid Camera' type programme (with Matthew Kelly as well - Kelly - see? It's perfectly in keeping with a Ripper thread!;) ). He also hosted 'You've Been Framed'; one of those awful collections of clips from home made videos, showing brides falling in the wedding cake, skateboarding dogs, and children falling over in amusing ways (well - okay - the skateboarding dogs are funny). As you can tell, a true class act, and a positive vaudevillian in talent.

He believes the Ripper was Maybrick; which shows he does have a sense of humour after all.;)

The only other things he's famous for are having one hand smaller than the other, caused by polio I believe; and going public on his difficulty in getting his wife pregnant, for which I do truly applaud him as it took courage to go public and expose himself to possible ridicule with such an intensely private (and embarrassing) problem.
 
Just a Thought

Maybe his difficulty in getting his wife preggers is related to why one of his hands is bigger than the other, which would also explain why he's on such wanking shows perhaps?

Someone needs to tell him Look Ma No Hands is perhaps best when attempting coitus with a willing breeder.
 
Loathe as I am to carry on this off topic thread I have to jump in and defend ol' Beadle - "Beadle's About" and "You've Been Framed" are pretty hard to defend (I hated them with a passion - but you've got to love the one where a woman comes home to discover a crashed UFO in her garden then procedes to offer the alien a nice cup of tea!) They were, however, extremely popular and just gave the people what they wanted - schadenfreude. What a lot of people don't know is that Beadle has quite a secret life outside of bad light entertainment - he tried his hand at rock music promotion after school, masterminding the 1974 Bickershaw Rock festival, he also became the northern editor of listings magazine Time Out. For many years he worked with American author Irving Wallace on seven million-selling reference books, including The People's Almanac and the Book of Lists. He revealed to the press in 1998 that he had helped a friend dying of motor neurone disease to commit suicide. More recently, he has concentrated on charitable efforts including helping children with Poland's Syndrome, which he suffers from and which has left him with a withered right hand. He's one of the great British crap entertainers who just keep going on - like Russ Abbot, Cannon and Ball, et al. He's so bad that in 2000 a pantomime he starred in was cancelled after it sold just 13 tickets! Now that's dedication!
 
Display Case?

You mount a good defense. Now let's hang it above the mantel and go find some Chilton & Port, shall we?
 
Surely you mean Stilton, my good fellow! Have we spontaneously translocated to the Victorian Gentlemen's Club?!?!?

Hmmm, yes, and least I forget there's an interesting article on Beadle's pioneering work at the vanguard of wireless programmes here.
 
Chalky Stilton

LOL - my Stilton gets chalky and, well, one conflates syllables, doesn't one?

As to Ripper, I suspect the new solution is but a promotion for a book, perhaps the mysterious Robin's book in fact, as suspected. If so then one is curious to see if there will be a flurry of public interest, or merely a ripple in the Ripper Pool here at FTMB.

Not sure if I hope for the former or not.

Oh, and what of the notion that Ripper's signatures and methodologies are mixed because there were more than one murderer? I'd guess up to three myself, although folie-a-deux is more common. One smart one, one dullard, and perhaps a third for aesthetic spectator role?
 
pi23 said:
More recently, he has concentrated on charitable efforts including helping children with Poland's Syndrome, which he suffers from and which has left him with a withered right hand.

Yeah, the thing about Jeremy Beadle is that he has a really small penis.

But on the other hand, it's quite big.


alright, alright, I'm going....you can mail me my coat.....
 
Size Matters

Ah, and what of the size of the Ripper's appendage of procreation and onanism?

I'm also curious to know how many have considered that Jack the Ripper may have been a frustrated chef.

Or that the Ripper murders were actually spy games gone excessive and public?

Messages seem to have been sent and received, given that the police stood down their investigation earlier than scheduled, as if they knew they weren't going to be embarrassed. Meaning they thought they knew Ripper had stopped.

Now add in the fact that, if they thought they knew such things, they've never ever let a word of it out.

To whom or what does this lead?
 
Re: Chalky Stilton

FraterLibre said:
As to Ripper, I suspect the new solution is but a promotion for a book, perhaps the mysterious Robin's book in fact, as suspected. If so then one is curious to see if there will be a flurry of public interest, or merely a ripple in the Ripper Pool here at FTMB.

Are you referring to my androgynous friend ROBIN?

Anyway, Beadle is far more interesting than Jack the bloody Ripper.

Other Beadle facts - he is a pub quiz genius. Witness the Channel 5 quiz extravaganza "Win Beadles Money" - a quiz show where contestants would challenge Beadle to a quiz for money and invariably fail to "Win Beadles's Money" (I always wondered whether it was Beadle's genuine personal wealth at stake).

He also appeared on that Docu-drama where a celebrity would spend the weekend with a normal family. Beadle came across very well, joined in with general family fun and got quite wankered down the pub with "Dad." Respect.

OK OK OK - Jack The Ripper is more interesting than Beadle.

Apologies - but at least I'm not pissing egos.
 
Run!

All I know is, when my ego gets pissed it's time to head for the Hills of Id.
 
walter sickert

Has anyone read the book by Patricia Cornwall--Portriat if a Killer

What do you think?

Barbara
 
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