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WhistlingJack said:
The way this story has been developing, I'm half-expecting a 'Jimmy Fiddled With My Pet Goldfish' tabloid exposé...

You beat me to it, Jack. If someone came forward tomorrow to say that "Jimmy Saville liked to eat Jaffa Cakes off my buttocks" then everyone would believe them.

There does seem to be an awful lot of people suddenly "remembering" that they were fiddled with.

Everyone in the public eye is falling over themselves to sympathise, support and investigate but mostly cover their own ass. Of course with him being dead, why not just agree to all allegations. People are talking as if it is a fact that he has abused all of these people without looking at each individual case.


Edit: I removed a sarcastic joke that wasn't funny.
 
escargot1 said:
My late former mother in law had weird gaydar: when she fancied an actor or singer he always turned out to be gay. Richard Chamberlain, Rock Hudson, Freddie Mercury, Cliff, you name him, she liked him and he was batting for t'other side. Totally reliable - you could tell who'd come out next (when that was a big thing!) by who she'd taken to recently.
:D
I too, have this super power! The first boy I kissed, my first real crush, one of the first men I dated, as well as guys I tend to find "fit" are usually gay :oops: Mr.Cherrybomb is quite camp, so I guess it must just be my type! 8)
 
Anyhoo, back OT. I don't think this has been posted before, I found it rather interesting, so here goes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19949196
How do sexual abusers cover their tracks?
As allegations mount against Sir Jimmy Savile, more and more people are asking how he was able to act with apparent impunity. How do predators escape detection?

Jimmy Savile has been described as an expert at "hiding in plain sight". He was the eccentric who seemingly joked openly about his sex life, the knight who surrounded himself with children and spent part of his life living in hospitals.
But despite this, Savile's alleged sexual abuses went uninvestigated in his lifetime.
Scotland Yard says it is following up 340 lines of inquiry following complaints of abuse and sexual assault by Savile.
And yet Savile was hardly a furtive figure, hiding in the shadows.

...
 
cherrybomb said:
Anyhoo, back OT. I don't think this has been posted before, I found it rather interesting, so here goes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19949196
How do sexual abusers cover their tracks?
As allegations mount against Sir Jimmy Savile, more and more people are asking how he was able to act with apparent impunity. How do predators escape detection?

Jimmy Savile has been described as an expert at "hiding in plain sight". He was the eccentric who seemingly joked openly about his sex life, the knight who surrounded himself with children and spent part of his life living in hospitals.
But despite this, Savile's alleged sexual abuses went uninvestigated in his lifetime.
Scotland Yard says it is following up 340 lines of inquiry following complaints of abuse and sexual assault by Savile.
And yet Savile was hardly a furtive figure, hiding in the shadows.

...

I'm not sure that's strictly true. It sounds like several people did try to investigate him during his lifetime, both journalists and police, but were unable to come up with sufficient evidence, possibly due to intimidation or other considerations. It's that part of it, and whether there were any accomplices involved, which to me seems to merit a police investigation, and that investigation seems to be happening.

The BBC is having its own enquires as well again not specifically into his actions which is pointless because he's dead, but into whether people covered up for him or whatever. They are having a separate enquiry into general sexual licence which presumably will cover any allegations about others.

Until some progress is made with those various enquires the flood of allegations is now at the point where it is probably hindering rather than helping discover what actually went on.
 
The Grauniad has a piece today which highlights a possible earlier case where the BBC harboured a serial abuser who felt untouchable.

Journalist John Simpson's 1999 Recollections of "Uncle Dick"

Simpson made it very clear to whom he was referring, giving him a name and biography that anyone could decipher.

Digital Spy on the Identity of "Uncle Dick"

Defamation of the dead? The accusation has been in print for more than twelve years but seems to have attracted little attention until now. It appears that "Uncle Dick" was "outed" by a colleague, "Aunty Gladys" - which is more than Savile ever was!
 
Another can of worms:

Jimmy Savile: Labour faces embarrassment over former child sex claims
Labour faces embarrassment over its calls for a wide-ranging inquiry into Jimmy Savile as senior party figures have previously called for the relaxation of child sex laws.
By Martin Beckford, Home Affairs Editor
11:48AM BST 17 Oct 2012

Harriet Harman, the Opposition deputy leader, said the allegations that the late TV and radio presenter abused dozens of young boys and girls had “cast a stain” on the BBC and other trusted institutions.
But at the time Savile was at the height of his fame, Miss Harman was calling for the relaxation of the law on child pornography.
She was a leading light in the pressure group now known as Liberty, which advocated the lowering of the age of consent to 14. :shock:

The organisation, then run by the Health Secretary under Tony Blair, Patricia Hewitt, even counted among its affiliates a number of extreme pro-paedophilia groups whose leaders were later jailed.

It means that any independent public inquiry into the culture that allowed Savile to abuse children for so long with impunity, could end up looking into the radical left-wing demands for the liberalisation of child sex laws that were made in the 1970s.

Tim Loughton, the former children’s minister, said “It is rather eyebrow-raising to see Harriet Harman’s newfound zeal for clamping down on sexual exploitation of children, given that she was decidedly dodgy on the subject when she was part of an organisation calling for the relaxation of these laws.
“What we are seeing now is the result of a culture of complacency which has allowed celebrities and others to cover up their crimes, and Harriet Harman must share some of the blame for not taking these matters much more seriously.”

As The Daily Telegraph first disclosed in 2009, in the 1970s the extreme end of the sexual liberation movement included groups who openly campaigned for the abolition of the age of consent. The Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation affiliated themselves to the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty.

NCCL complained to the press watchdog about their treatment by tabloid newspapers and in one article admitted it had “plenty of contact” with PIE, and argued that children are harmed by having to go to police and courts after a “mutual relationship with an adult”.

In 1976 the NCCL submitted a response to the Government’s plans to reform sex laws that was dubbed a Lolita’s Charter as it claimed “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult result in no identifiable damage”.
The organisation said that children as young as 14 should be able to consent to sex, to reduce the “harmful effects of the present laws”.

It went on to say it is “logical” for the age of consent to be abolished but “we fear” it would not be “politically possible”.
Miss Harman, then a newly qualified solicitor, joined the group as legal officer two years later.

etc...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... laims.html
 
Sorry to go OT again, but I just found this...."gem" hiding at the back of the internet :?

http://www.vilepervert.com/info/
"Welcome to Vile Pervert: The Musical.
"The most exciting film of the century so far".
It is a ComDoc - a Comedy Documentary. A satire.
This movie and music challenge assumptions. It is unlike anything you have ever seen before - emotionally, dramatically, technically and spiritually."

The lovely Jonathan Kings very own musical, about...well about being a vile perv I should wager :(
 
rynner2 said:
Another can of worms:

Jimmy Savile: Labour faces embarrassment over former child sex claims
Labour faces embarrassment over its calls for a wide-ranging inquiry into Jimmy Savile as senior party figures have previously called for the relaxation of child sex laws.
By Martin Beckford, Home Affairs Editor
11:48AM BST 17 Oct 2012

Harriet Harman, the Opposition deputy leader, said the allegations that the late TV and radio presenter abused dozens of young boys and girls had “cast a stain” on the BBC and other trusted institutions.

Talk about stains, This comes from Harriet Harman, the biggest walking skid mark known to humanity.
 
cherrybomb said:
Sorry to go OT again, but I just found this...."gem" hiding at the back of the internet :?

http://www.vilepervert.com/info/
"Welcome to Vile Pervert: The Musical.
"The most exciting film of the century so far".
It is a ComDoc - a Comedy Documentary. A satire.
This movie and music challenge assumptions. It is unlike anything you have ever seen before - emotionally, dramatically, technically and spiritually."

The lovely Jonathan Kings very own musical, about...well about being a vile perv I should wager :(

You can find him singing a song from it on youtube if you really want to.
 
escargot1 said:
cherrybomb said:
Sorry to go OT again, but I just found this...."gem" hiding at the back of the internet :?

http://www.vilepervert.com/info/
"Welcome to Vile Pervert: The Musical.
"The most exciting film of the century so far".
It is a ComDoc - a Comedy Documentary. A satire.
This movie and music challenge assumptions. It is unlike anything you have ever seen before - emotionally, dramatically, technically and spiritually."

The lovely Jonathan Kings very own musical, about...well about being a vile perv I should wager :(

You can find him singing a song from it on youtube if you really want to.
:nooo: :nooo:
 
There might be safety in numbers if we all want to add vilepervert.com to our browser's history. For now, I'm not risking it - not to hear Jonathan King sing!

He does appear to imagine that he is the latter-day Oscar Wilde. A lot less to declare in King's case. :(
 
drbastard said:
rynner2 said:
Another can of worms:

Jimmy Savile: Labour faces embarrassment over former child sex claims
Labour faces embarrassment over its calls for a wide-ranging inquiry into Jimmy Savile as senior party figures have previously called for the relaxation of child sex laws.
By Martin Beckford, Home Affairs Editor
11:48AM BST 17 Oct 2012

Harriet Harman, the Opposition deputy leader, said the allegations that the late TV and radio presenter abused dozens of young boys and girls had “cast a stain” on the BBC and other trusted institutions.

Talk about stains, This comes from Harriet Harman, the biggest walking skid mark known to humanity.

So true! :lol:
Doc, you have such a way with words - I couldn't have put it better myself! :lol:
 
Being old, I can remember a 1970s story about the Paedophile Information Exchange in one of the tabloids that my parents took, most likely the Daily Mirror or the News Of The World.

There was a photo of a small bunch of men on a demonstration, holding placards, and an inset one of a woman with the caption 'And THIS WOMAN says they're doing nothing wrong!' I wonder if that was Harman? Didn't know any of this about her. :shock:
 
Jimmy Savile scandal: Kate Lampard to lead NHS investigation

The Department of Health is to appoint a former barrister to oversee its investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile, the prime minister's spokesman said.
He said Kate Lampard would "ensure rigour and consistency" in probes at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Leeds General Infirmary, Broadmoor and inside the Department of Health (DoH).

Police say Savile, who rose to fame in the 60s, may have sexually abused 60 people over a period of six decades.
The BBC is also holding two inquiries.
Savile, who presented Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It and was a former Radio 1 DJ, died last October aged 84.

Scotland Yard, which is co-ordinating the investigation into Savile's alleged offences, has said it is following up 340 lines of inquiry.
Police believe the alleged offences could date from 1959 to 2006.

On the hospitals' probe, the PM's spokesman said that Ms Lampard, the former deputy chairman of the Financial Ombudsman Service, had been appointed by the DoH to keep a check on the three investigations.

The NHS investigation comes amid growing allegations that Savile sexually abused children at the three hospitals which he had raised funds for.
The DoH had already said it would investigate its own conduct in appointing Savile to lead a "taskforce" overseeing the management of high-security psychiatric hospital Broadmoor in 1998.
It comes after the Sun newspaper said Savile assaulted a 17-year-old patient during a visit as a hospital fundraiser in the 1970s.

A DoH spokesman said: "The health secretary has appointed Kate Lampard - a former practising barrister and former deputy chair of the Financial Ombudsman Service - to oversee the Department of Health's, and three NHS Trusts' input into the ongoing inquiries relating to Jimmy Savile's involvement with the NHS.

"She will provide oversight of the Stoke Mandeville, Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor inquiries, as well as the Department of Health's inquiries into the appointment and role Savile held at Broadmoor Hospital.
"All relevant information from these inquiries will be passed to the police."

Meanwhile, the BBC has appointed former Appeal Court judge Dame Janet Smith and ex-Sky News boss Nick Pollard to lead its inquiries.
Dame Janet will look into the culture and practices of the BBC during the years Savile worked there.
Mr Pollard will examine Newsnight's shelving of an investigation into why police dropped a sexual abuse probe.

Earlier, Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman reiterated her party's calls for an independent inquiry into all of the allegations against Savile.
"I think what we need to do is get to the truth," she told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme.
"Clearly something terrible went on for many years across a number of institutions and I think we need to learn the lessons."

She said it was "a problem" that there were a number of different inquiries at different institutions because "we are looking at one man who manipulated the whole system".
"It's the government's responsibility to say this is very serious and has to be investigated independently," she said.
"The perpetrator is dead but the institutions need to learn the lessons of why this could go on for so long, and that needs one independent inquiry."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19980979
 
There was a photo of a small bunch of men on a demonstration, holding placards, and an inset one of a woman with the caption 'And THIS WOMAN says they're doing nothing wrong!' I wonder if that was Harman? Didn't know any of this about her.

I'm no fan of Harman but TBH this is one of the right wing press's more ludicrous smears. Their tedious attacks on Harman for her feminism "Harriet Harperson, etc" (zzz) clearly aren't having sufficient impact so now they're going to accuse her of something much worse.

NCCL, now Liberty, was a very broad church organisation in the 70s and had a few rather unsavoury groups hanging around it. It's a much more focused campaigning group now and something like PIE wouldn't get past the front door.

It wasn't one of NCCL's finer moments. Regardless, the accusation against Harman seems to be that at some stage in the 70s she took a job at an organisation which had submitted a dubious response to a government consultation paper TWO YEARS EARLIER. It's pretty bonkers to argue that this makes her some sort of peado-emabler.

Sorry, this is real Brass Eye territory now.
 
I was going to put this Awful Library Book in the WTF Thread of Chat but perhaps it belongs here as an example of shifting perspectives:

“I may be a silly," Mr. Bear answered, "but I know when a naughty little girl needs a spanking.”

Little Bear coudn't watch. He was afraid his turn was next.

. . . "Isn't it just like a girl to cry because she gets spanked.:

The Lonely Doll on Awful Library Books

Well yes - especially if she has just been spanked by a Teddy Bear! Very odd.

NB: URL may change as this classic moves down the list.
 
More 'revelations':

Jimmy Savile: Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell 'abused boys in Jersey' claims whistleblower
Wilfrid Brambell, the actor, became the latest BBC celebrity accused of child sex abuse last night after it emerged that two people had come forward in Jersey claiming to be his victims.
10:00PM BST 17 Oct 2012
Brambell, who played the “dirty old man” Albert Steptoe in the comedy Steptoe and Son, allegedly abused two boys in a theatre in Jersey at the height of his fame in the 1970s.

One of the alleged victims was a resident at the notorious Haut de la Garenne children’s home which was at the centre of a high-profile police investigation into historical child abuse on the island in 2008.

He claimed to have been taken to the island’s main theatre, the Opera House, as a “treat” before being taken backstage to meet Brambell, who he accuses of molesting him in a back room.

The second victim, who had not been a Haut de la Garenne resident, also claimed to have been abused by Brambell at the theatre. The alleged victims were aged 12-13 at the time.

Brambell, who died in 1985, was homosexual and had a criminal record for “persistently importuning for an immoral purpose” in a public lavatory dating from 1962.

More of this at Link
 
I'm still getting over the revelation that he was gay. How did he keep it so well hidden?

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Oh thanks, now I've got Fetlife Search in my History. :oops:

On the subject of Brambell, that kilt shot is not the worst image of him. Galton & Simpson used to delight in supplying excuses for the old guy to get his kit off. His physique was quite astonishingly horrid. He managed to turn fishing for pickled onions in the bath into an extreme sport!

His name has been bandied around for some time on the speculative gossip sites but the Telegraph story seems to move it up several notches by linking him to Jersey. I had read nothing so specific before, though it still lacks detail, such as confirmation of the dates and reason he was there.

But if he was . . . those poor boys! :(

edit: "in supplying" in place of meaningless "is"
 
JamesWhitehead said:
Galton & Simpson used to delight in supplying excuses for the old guy to get his kit off.

He wasn't as old as he looked, AFAIK.
 
Why is it always the people you least want to picture having sex getting mixed up in these revelations?
 
Because the ones who could pull would just go out and do that instead?

I wonder if that children's home ran some sort of 'service' for celebrities in that era... I guess anything is possible for the right price, small wonder no-one would believe anyone if they'd started reeling off a list of names of famous people.
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
Because the ones who could pull would just go out and do that instead?

I wonder if that children's home ran some sort of 'service' for celebrities in that era... I guess anything is possible for the right price, small wonder no-one would believe anyone if they'd started reeling off a list of names of famous people.
Yes. Every revelation seems to raise more questions.
 
It's almost a form of protection in itself... extreme behaviour by abusers helps to shield them because it adds a whole other layer that no-one actually wants to believe could happen... and in this case, well, who in their right mind would be willing to believe that someone 'from the telly' turned up for a bit of noncing.

Very very nasty. :(
 
That kid's home is starting to feel like it was advertised in the bloody papers as a stop-over for perves at this rate.
 
How awful :cry: Safety in numbers for the (alleged) pervs.

Brambell used to really scare me as a kid. I still get a shudder if I hear the Steptoe & son theme music (the scrap man who drives up our street plays it & it always makes me feel a bit uneasy!!). IMHO, that series wasn't funny, it was truely dark and creepy. :cross eye
 
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