London Bombings: Conspiracies

[Quake42]

2) The terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists started after Bush Jnr got into power - will they stop when he is no longer President?

The USS Cole attack was pre-GWB I think as were the East African embassy bombings (1998?).

Also, a number of other countries, notably France, have suffered Islamic extremist attacks for decades.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about September 11, and the tragedy certainly worked out well for those in the administration that wished tonattack Iraq and erode civil liberties... plus, of course, it took most of the heat Bush had previously been receiving for his handling of the economy.

But I really find it almost impossible to believe that something of that magnitude was an inside job.

 

[sudi5]

from vogel7fire;

As is the ever-present Israeli connection,

Jews comprise less than 1/10th of 1 per cent of the ENTIRE world population. And that number (which I pull from book over ten years old,) is dwindling due to Jews marrying outside their faith and having non-Jewish kids. (I am one of those kids myself.)

But of course, it is always the Jews, isn't it?

I can guaranfickingtee if you kill every Jew on the planet, these same groups (who need an outside source to blame their own shortcomings on,) will find the NEXT minority to point the finger at.

When will you be in the NEXT minority?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: the London bombs - 4 pretty small and amateur devices - smacks of a single cell of nationals or residents fired up by the iconic status of Al Q. As a 30 something member of this site (and a Brit), I remember the IRA bombs...this really, in many respects, wasn't as professional or as bad. Further, remember your stats - the liklihood of YOU getting involved in a terrorist atrocity (of conventional level) is about the same as you winning the lottery. It might be you...but it probably won't be!
So F*ck the terrorists and carry on with life

 

[Leaferne]

2) The terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists started after Bush Jnr got into power - will they stop when he is no longer President?

The USS Cole attack was pre-GWB I think as were the East African embassy bombings (1998?).

Also, a number of other countries, notably France, have suffered Islamic extremist attacks for decades.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about September 11, and the tragedy certainly worked out well for those in the administration that wished tonattack Iraq and erode civil liberties... plus, of course, it took most of the heat Bush had previously been receiving for his handling of the economy.

But I really find it almost impossible to believe that something of that magnitude was an inside job.

There was a story in one of the Canadian papers today which mentioned that in 1998, a plot (by Islamic extremists, not homegrown nutbars) to plant poison gas on the Montreal subway was foiled. In Canada we're far too smug that it can't or won't happen here. We may not have supported the Iraq war but we still sent troops to Afghanistan; we have had ships in the Persian Gulf since the first Gulf War, and we have been mentioned as a target in Al-Q messages. The only real terrorist threat we've ever had was the FLQ crisis in 1970 (homegrown nutbars) and even now people are still debating whether Trudeau was right in invoking the War Measures Act and bringing in the army, though I don't know how much choice he had.

One conservative columnist's cynical take:

Curiously, one country that has escaped what could be called Islamic terror is Canada -- not because we are more vigilant and alert, but because we are useful to potential terrorists.

Our strange laws require that any who claim to be refugees, even though they enter Canada fraudulently with false passports and a background of training in terrorist camps, cannot be deported without years of reviews and appeals, often while living on welfare with medical and legal advice.

Why would any terror organization jeopardize this convenient status by committing a terrorist act here and possibly provoke Canada's government into tightening the rules?

Meanwhile, we can sympathize with the Brits, join the CBC in blaming `Bush, and feel our neutrality protects us from bad guys.

source

Sadly, when (and not if) it happens here, I doubt we will respond with the same grace and courage that the Brits have shown.

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

For numerological aspects of this attack see:

www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 038#557038

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Explosions In London

Who Stands To Gain? Israel Warned, Cover-up In Progress

Prisonplanet | July 7, 2005

COMMENT:
The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest attrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror. Get our films, learn the truth and expose who is gaining power from terrorism, or our freedoms are dead.

BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.

Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article.

The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned before the first blast.

Israel are now denying they got a warning.

BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told Israel.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."

Full article here.

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims didn't?

We have been told that the events unfolding today were "inevitable", London's transport network has been hit with multiple explosions. Both the Underground and Buses have been hit. Events are still unfolding.

We predicted this would happen over a year ago after analyzing the propaganda and fearmongering that was being ratcheted up to the extreme in London. Paul Joseph Watson has predicted these events as imminent several times on The Alex Jones Show in recent months.

Tony Blair is not in London but safely tucked up in Scotland with 7 other World Leaders including President Bush. The political eyes of the world are on Britain this week. The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone is in Singapore where the IOC has just awarded the Olympic Games to London, he is rushing back to the city.

Just like the events of 9/11, ask yourself, who stands to gain from this? Could this have been organized by any group other than one who has direct unlimited access to all areas of London's transport grid at all times?

The similarities with the Madrid bombing of 3/11/04, which we have persistently highlighted as an inside intelligence operation, are stark with bombs on separate trains set off within minutes of each other as the trains neared the stations. The so called perpetrators were quickly linked to an "Al Qaeda" cell in Europe but later as we reported were linked to the Spanish Security service. They then mysteriously Killed themselves as this information was seeping out. It then became apparent that Spain's government was using the bombings for its own gains and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks. Further Intelligence was withheld by the government, we expect the same will happen in Britain after today's attacks.

This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the Olympics coming to London in 2012.

The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bombings multiple times over.

Alex has said over and over that as attacks on different sections of the transportation grid occur they are going to have police state setup in the areas. Now it will be on the buses, subways etc.

FLASHBACK: Schumer Wants Airport Screening Technology in Malls

The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest atrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror. Support our work, spread the word, expose who is gaining power from terrorism, or our freedoms will be lost.

Hours after the attacks the media is still not providing extensive coverage. We would expect to see hundreds of eyewitness accounts and footage of the train stations. Independent London reporter Simon Aronowitz, who has a contact within the BBC, has reported that journalists are finding the coverage of the situation highly irregular. It seems that the information being released to the British public is being carefully stage managed

Source

 

[Stormkhan]

It seems that the information being released to the British public is being carefully stage managed

I'm sorry but in cases involving national security, limiting panic and uninformed speculation, and ongoing investigation ... the control of information makes sense.

 

[Jonfairway]

London is on the highest state of alert after British securityservices said yesterday they assumed that the terrorists responsible for Thursday's bomb attacks that killed more than 50 people remained at large and could strike again.

"We are working on the assumption that those responsible for the bombings are still out there and could do it again. As a result, it's a huge national police operation with the help of foreign police forces," said a senior British security official.

Police forensic experts continued to comb the scenes for clues, a particularly grisly and difficult task in the heat of the deep, rat- infested Underground tunnel near Russell Square where at least 21 people lost their lives.

Sir Ian Blair, London's police commissioner, said the morning rush hour bombings bore all the hallmarks of the al-Qaeda terrorist group: nearly simultaneous attacks with no warning, causing mass casualties.

Sir Ian said the attacks must have been the work of more than one person, but no arrests had yet been made.

He described the investigation as "a national enterprise", which would require the fullest support of Londoners across races and faiths. "It is not the police and intelligence community which defeat terrorism; it's communities that beat terrorism," he said.

Police remained cautious in their assessment of how the four bomb blasts - three on the Underground and one on a bus - were carried out. They said the bombs, which also injured some 700 people, each contained 4.5kg or less of Semtex or other commercial high explosive.

They said it was still not clear how they were detonated. One hypothesis is that three devices in the Underground were exploded by simple timers, possibly linked to mobile phones. But police have not ruled out the possibility that the explosion on the bus, which killed 13 people in Tavistock Square, was caused by a suicide bomber or was set off accidentally by a terrorist on the way to another target.

The investigation will include a full review of CCTV footage. CCTV density in London is high and experts will be able to review activity along Tube and bus routes. "This is the largest CCTV recovery we have ever had to do," said the security official.

Terrorism experts drew parallels with the March 2004 rush hour bombings in Madrid, where some of those responsible were planning further attacks on the public transport system and eventually blew themselves up in a confrontation with police.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/94c8c028-f016- ... 511c8.html

I,m sorry but can some one explain to me why this must be al qaeda ?

they still don't know what type of explosives were used even !

This is a horrible vile thing that has happened but are we and the police and the governments just jumping the gun with all this finger pointing.

Should they first have said we are investigating and will inform the public etc when we have more proof.

This happened at 911 it was all too quick and easy to find the perps.

I,m surprised they haven't found a passport blown clear with the terrorists address on it

 

[Quake42]

Re: the London bombs - 4 pretty small and amateur devices - smacks of a single cell of nationals or residents fired up by the iconic status of Al Q. As a 30 something member of this site (and a Brit), I remember the IRA bombs...this really, in many respects, wasn't as professional or as bad.

I think you're right that Thursday's events are probably the actions of a small group loosely affiliated, if at all, to Al Qaeda and certainly the IRA was a far more "professional" outfit but I think that groups such as these pose a far greater threat to London than the IRA ever did.

The IRA, along with other nationalist terror groups, was a structured organisation with a reasonably coherent ideology and, it seems clear, was involved in informal talks with the British government for years.

I think it is also fair to say that certainly from the 80s onwards the IRA's tactic on the mainland at least was to cause as much disruption as possible without incurring huge civilian casualties.

Contrast that with Al-Qaeda and those it seems to have inspired: little ideology other than a powerful but unfocused hatred of "infidels"; no coded warnings prior to an attack; bombs aimed not at military or political targets but at ordinary people trying to get to work or go to a nightclub; bombs targetted to cause as many casualties as possible.

With the IRA I think it wsa always clear that the government would have to come to some accomodation with them as regards closer ties with Dublin, financial help for deprived Catholic areas, suppot for the Irish language, release of prisoners etc. With Al-Qaeda and its offshoots it's hard to imagine any common ground on anything.

 

[Jonfairway]

Attack On London: Blair Plays The Terror Card
Paul Joseph Watson/Propaganda Matrix | July 7 2005

The attack on London represents a brutal attempt to coral the British population behind accepting the introduction of the national ID card, renewing support for the war on terror and reinvigorating trust in a government that had the backing of less than 15 per cent of the country.

Even at this very early stage it is clear that the evidence points to inside involvement.

The statement on a website from an unknown Al-Qaeda group claiming responsibility is exactly what we'd expect after such an event. Santa Claus could post a message saying he was responsible for the attack, does that make it so? Rupert Murdoch's Sky News are busy playing Al-Qaeda training videos with masked militants jumping through flaming hoops. The emotive propaganda is clear, these images are being linked in montages with past images of 9/11, the Bali bombing and the Madrid bombing and injured people crying in the streets.

Even if the police and government back away from the Al-Qaeda claim, which now appears to be the case, pro-establishment Neo-Con media outlets will repeat it like an endless drumbeat until it sinks in.

The key evidence thus far is as follows.

Original Associated Press and Israeli radio reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli Prime Minister received a warning before the first explosion that an attack was about to take place. Scotland Yard passed on a warning to the Israeli embassy who forwarded it to Netanyahu. Netanyahu was due to make a speech at a Hotel adjacent to the site of the first blast. He cancelled the speech and remained in his hotel room.

Arutz Sheva sourced Army Radio with the following.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."

For an hour after the first blast, the government and the news media were reporting that the cause was an electrical power surge. If the government knew bombs were going to go off before they did, why did they report for an hour that it was an accident? Were they trying to bide time so they could get their story straight?

Both Scotland Yard and the Israelis have since denied that they had any foreknowledge of the attack.

Since the original report, major TV news networks have been completely silent on the Netanyahu story. They are just repeating claims that there was no prior knowledge.

About an hour after the story broke, Associated Press started altering their online news stories, stating that Netanyahu got the warning after the first blast and not before. It seems as if they are scrambling to co-ordinate their cover story. Either there were no warnings or the warning was after the first blast. The dithering seems to suggest there is some confusion on how to successfully hide the smoking gun, the fact that Netanyahu was warned before the first explosion.

Why didn't the people on the trains and buses get the same warning?

On June 7th, MI5 downgraded the London terror alert from its second highest level “severe general” to a lower category of “substantial”.

Why did they do this, was somebody lowering the guard?
The timing of the attack is very suspicious, coming on the heels of the start of the G8 conference. Both Tony Blair and George Bush in their speeches have tried to paint the attack as an assault on globalization and the G8 itself. This means that if you're against the G8 and globalization, then you're with the terrorists! It's a tried and tested method they've used time and time before.



In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. Click here for an archive of this evidence.

The British government has also been caught scripting fake terror alerts for political effect. Days before the Queen's speech notable November speech in which she first introduced ID card legislation, ITN news correspondants and government lobbyists got together to cook up a fake terror alert involving planes attacking Canary Wharf. A London Independent article later exposed this as a crass psy-op campaign to get the British people behind the ID card.

From Putin blowing up his own apartment buildings to Israel being behind Hamas, the evidence is consistently clear that large scale terrorism is always state sponsored.

The Madrid train bombing is another example. The bombers were found to be police informants with close links to the Spanish security services. They had access to the most secure areas of the Madrid train system. The Spanish government initially tried to blaim the Basque group ETA for the blast in the hope that the people would rally behind the government and get them re-elected. After ETA denied involvement and the people started saying the government was involved, the Spanish government had to blame Al-Qaeda and kill some patsies by claiming they blew themselves up during a raid.

The wider agenda will become clearer when Blair firmly points the finger at the selected patsies designated to take the fall. But for the moment he's happy to grandstand as the courageous leader who immedately returned to London to take control of the chaos.

BBC polls that were showing 80 per cent plus opposed the ID card will now likely flip back in the opposite direction. Support for the European Union and increased globalization through the G8 will rise. Who stands to gain from all this? Who has the motive?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/article ... orcard.htm

Interesting statement in bold mind !

 

[Jonfairway]

Hey up here we go !


The homeland security boffs in the US have proff it was al qaeda

look at this

EXCLUSIVE: Video by Islamic Terrorists of the London Bombings


8 July 2005: 3:30 PM ET: As broken exclusively on MSNBC this afternoon, a video compiled by members of the al Qaeda terrorist organization featuring footage from yesterday’s bombing attack in London was electronically retrieved overnight by Randy Taylor, Senior Analyst of the Northeast Intelligence Network. The video is significantly important as it connects al Qaeda to yesterday’s blasts in London. Although the Arabic language film does not explicitly take credit for the bombings, it shows al Qaeda’s influence behind the blasts and signifies solidarity among loosely formed Islamic terrorist groups.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/default.htm


How very clever they are !

 

[Anonymous]

Hey up here we go !


The homeland security boffs in the US have proff it was al qaeda

...

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/default.htm


How very clever they are !

We're getting to be terrible cynics. :hmph:

 

[Jonfairway]

Too true Androman

Bad week just keeps getting worse !

We can't even say if the explosives were semtex etc

and the US have video evidence again !!!!! proving the links

Funny how they keep finding videos all the time with conclusive proof

 

[wembley8]

"Contrast that with Al-Qaeda and those it seems to have inspired: little ideology other than a powerful but unfocused hatred of "infidels"; no coded warnings prior to an attack; bombs aimed not at military or political targets but at ordinary people trying to get to work or go to a nightclub; bombs targetted to cause as many casualties as possible. "

Quake, I think your memory of the IRA attacks is flawed. While its true they did later switch to economic targets rather than just trying to kill, the pub bombings of the 70's, Harrods bomb etc etc were all simply aimed at killing.

AQ do have plenty of ideology, but they are a more diffuse group (anyone can set up their own franchise). And I'm sure we will end up talking to them if we are not already - it was said before that there was an informal agreement with the security services that they could operate out of Britain so long as they did not carry out any attacks here. Looks like it broke down...

 

[Jonfairway]

More disinformation ?

REPORT: One UK Bomber Was Recent GITMO Release
7 July 2005; 12:54 ET: Preliminary reports from a source inside the Pentagon indicate that one of the operatives involved in this morning's bombings in London was recently released from the prison at Guantanamo.

UPDATED 10:35 PM ET: A clarification was made by the source providing this information, noting that "one of the bombers who is believed to be involved in this attack was recently released from the prison at Guantanamo, Cuba." The source did not elaborate about how the suspect was reportedly identified so early, although suggested he was onboard bus 30 that exploded outside of the British Medical Association at 9:47 local time. We are continuing our investigation.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Propoganda.asp

 

[Quake42]

A clarification was made by the source providing this information, noting that "one of the bombers who is believed to be involved in this attack was recently released from the prison at Guantanamo, Cuba." The source did not elaborate about how the suspect was reportedly identified so early, although suggested he was onboard bus 30 that exploded outside of the British Medical Association at 9:47 local time. We are continuing our investigation.

This sounds rather unlikely, but if there is any truth in it whatsoever heads are going to roll in the intelligence services... surely the released detainees will be some of the most monitored people in the country?

 

[Jonfairway]

This sounds rather unlikely, but if there is any truth in it whatsoever heads are going to roll in the intelligence services... surely the released detainees will be some of the most monitored people in the country?

Yep one would think so mate

 

[Anonymous]

I know Emp answered my questions, very thoroughly - but;

1) I still think that the London Bombings were done by a small group of people who were employed - not inspired - employed, to do these bombings at that specific time

2) They didn't bomb Live 8 in each concert around the world simutaneously - they could have done and this would have been a disaster on the scale of 9/11 (the number of the USA emergency services - 7/7 just means nothing really does it? Or do the terrorists play bingo?)

3) They didn't bomb Live 8 - not because of police screening though. Given the stories regarding people infiltrating Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, the House of Commons and Sandhurst - how the hell could the police suddenly get efficient enough to screen 350,000 people in each concert for a 10lb explosive in a rucksack?

4) The news was of course carefully managed - and of course Al Queda will be blamed and will accept responsibility - but Al Queda do not exist. Tell you something else as well, if they ever did exist, they were employed to become terrorists, not inspired. These are not revolutionaries or madmen - they are employees.

5) The people who are actually behind all this? They are madmen. They are doing all of this to make money, and they are probably some of the richest people in the world already - think about how the terrorists get their money. Piracy and drug dealing? Possibly - but what is most likely?

Let's not get blinded by emotion here - they are not.

 

[Quake42]

The news was of course carefully managed - and of course Al Queda will be blamed and will accept responsibility - but Al Queda do not exist. Tell you something else as well, if they ever did exist, they were employed to become terrorists, not inspired. These are not revolutionaries or madmen - they are employees.

Employees of whom exactly? I can't think of many jobs which pay well enough to make me want to sacrifice myself and dozens/hundreds/thousands of others. Sorry, I really don't understand this point at all.

The people who are actually behind all this? They are madmen. They are doing all of this to make money, and they are probably some of the richest people in the world already - think about how the terrorists get their money. Piracy and drug dealing? Possibly - but what is most likely?

I don't know. What are you suggesting exactly?

 

[Anonymous]

The news was of course carefully managed - and of course Al Queda will be blamed and will accept responsibility - but Al Queda do not exist. Tell you something else as well, if they ever did exist, they were employed to become terrorists, not inspired. These are not revolutionaries or madmen - they are employees.

Employees of whom exactly? I can't think of many jobs which pay well enough to make me want to sacrifice myself and dozens/hundreds/thousands of others. Sorry, I really don't understand this point at all.

The people who are actually behind all this? They are madmen. They are doing all of this to make money, and they are probably some of the richest people in the world already - think about how the terrorists get their money. Piracy and drug dealing? Possibly - but what is most likely?

I don't know. What are you suggesting exactly?

Soldiers get paid to sacrifice their lives on a daily basis, scientists get paid to design and produce viruses and weapons of mass destruction on a daily basis.

As regards the rich people? They could be anybody, from anywhere, the principle is the same. What am I insinuating? I'm saying the whole thing stinks to high heaven and somebody is pulling the strings of those doing these things, there is no shadowy figure at the top, but money grabbing bastards yes.

 

[Anonymous]

You forgot Bodyguards. They're supposed to jump in and take the bullet aren't they?

After the IRA bombings of years ago and the effect on the Capital, the ramping up of security after 9/11, wouldn't it have been smart to have placed electronic explosive sniffers in the ticket gates of the tube network?

 

[Quake42]

I'm saying the whole thing stinks to high heaven and somebody is pulling the strings of those doing these things, there is no shadowy figure at the top, but money grabbing bastards yes.

I'm afraid I really don't see it. So far I have seen nothing to make me think that the London bombings were perpetrated by anyone other than a small group of murderous fanatics. If you're suggesting that they were somehow paid to do this by big business... well why? Any effect the bombings have upon business and consumer confidence - and by extension the money the "money grabbing bastards" make - will only be a negative one.

Certainly in the case of September 11 a lot of things didn't quite seem to add up... but I don't get that vibe at all with London.

The simplest explanation is often the correct one, and until we see any evidence to the contrary I think the London bombings can quite fairly be taken at face value.

 

[badweasle]

Ok, I'm not particularly into conspiracies and such like but there are things that are bugging me, just like other posters.

I was lucky enough to have to stay in a hotel on wednesday night for business in the centre of London, otherwise my normal commute into the west end would have been affected and I would have "possibly" been on the Edgware rd train.

I couldn't help thinking that, despite the tragic loss of life, it could have been so, so much worse. Grimly, I had often thought on my daily commute how awful it would be if a bomb went off on the westbound central line at Liverpool St station at about 8.15am. Then you would have a massive loss of life. The bombs detonating where they were looked to an amatuer like me to cause maximum disruption to Londons already groaning transort system, taking out a selection of tube lines in the City of London. Originally I thought that the bus bombing was a mistake, that the "olive skinned man fiddling nervously with a small rucksack" was a terrorist who had an unexploded bomb and had been evacuated from the tube-his intended target. Yes, the bombing of a red London bus is iconic and that picture is all around the world, but whether intentionally or not, that bomb bought the commuters alternative to a halt too, for the rest of the day.
Londoners have been expecting this for some time, in one way or another. The tube network is such an easy target. We have been expecting Al Quaeda, or their derivitives to do it, so it's easy to point fingers, whether justified or not.
Their timing was odd, though. In the west-end we call this time of year Arab-Season, when tourists from the Gulf come and spend money on stuff they don't need. Admittedly I've never seen one of these wealthy Arabs on the tube, but since Thursday I've seen increased tension towards them on the street, and Edgware rd is a predominently Arab/muslim area.
If they had bombed us on Tuesday, would we really have lost the Olympic bid? Is that why Madrid lost? I doubt it.
They got one thing right though. We have tourists of all nations in London at the moment. London relys heavily on this economy, and I believe, initially, New York's economy suffered as a result of 9/11.
Still, I believe they picked on the wrong town. By Thursday pm we picked ourseves up and made our way home. I walked through Green Park-a park I'd never walked before, past Buck palace and our union jack, down Pall Mall and to Westminster where I discovered the joy of commuting home on the Thames in the sunshine. It took twice as long to get home than normal, but I enjoyed it twice as much.
I'm proud to say that our tube and bus networks were near-normal on Friday and I was back at work for 8am.
So a big raspberry to whoever did this, you can piss us off for a day, but at least we are free.

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

Hey up here we go !


The homeland security boffs in the US have proff it was al qaeda

look at this

EXCLUSIVE: Video by Islamic Terrorists of the London Bombings


8 July 2005: 3:30 PM ET: As broken exclusively on MSNBC this afternoon, a video compiled by members of the al Qaeda terrorist organization featuring footage from yesterday’s bombing attack in London was electronically retrieved overnight by Randy Taylor, Senior Analyst of the Northeast Intelligence Network. The video is significantly important as it connects al Qaeda to yesterday’s blasts in London. Although the Arabic language film does not explicitly take credit for the bombings, it shows al Qaeda’s influence behind the blasts and signifies solidarity among loosely formed Islamic terrorist groups.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/default.htm


How very clever they are !

Hardly - that sounds like they have got some news footage from the TV editted into a litle video and emailed it round their friends. Sick but not unexpected.

What it doesn't way is that this is actually al Qaeda footage of the bombings which would be a whole different kettle of fish.

Lets see how that one plays out - I suspect it will be quietly forgotten

 

[Anonymous]

bombing of a red London bus is iconic and that picture is all around the world, but whether intentionally or not

Thought it was wierd the way the bus exploded right outside the British Medical Association building though.

I agree though - they only stopped London for a few hours - all the buses were running again a few hours after the attacks.

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

bombing of a red London bus is iconic and that picture is all around the world, but whether intentionally or not

Thought it was wierd the way the bus exploded right outside the British Medical Association building though.

As the bus was redirected at the last minute it was just coincidence - one that probably helped save lives!!

One thing I heard was that the bus driver stopped to ask for directions after bein diverted - if true did it make the guy on the bus (if there was one!!!) nervous?

 

[Jonfairway]

Emps wrote

Hardly - that sounds like they have got some news footage from the TV editted into a litle video and emailed it round their friends. Sick but not unexpected.

What it doesn't way is that this is actually al Qaeda footage of the bombings which would be a whole different kettle of fish.

Lets see how that one plays out - I suspect it will be quietly forgotten

You've lost me EMPS

Are you saying you believe the video to be a forgery made by the American chappy or the CIA/Necons or a real Al Kaeda group.

I was coming from the point of it being a fake made by the US government to harden support for the war on terror.

Heres the link to the Video in case you havent seen the whole thing.

http://crusader.rulez.jp/files/0709200502.wmv

 

[Yithian]

Obviously we don't know who the perpetrator(s) were but it has made me wonder: do you think that those concerned gave out any warnings whatsoever? My train of thought was there are probably a fair few sympathetic Muslims in London who may well be conducting their own operations in consonance with those who planted these bombs.

Do you think they'd have warned them or considered the potential breach of secrecy too risky (such warnings could easily snowball as everyone looks out for their own) and so took the chance that they may kill fellow dissidents.

I was just considering that a notable number of Muslims who have political grievances with their home governments do live in London in exile from more moderate (relatively speaking) middle-eastern heirarchies.

 

[sudi5]

That "homelandsecurity" site is not a U.S. government site. It is explained in their FAQ who they are.

(And frankly, they sound like fanatics from the far right. Another propaganda site....run by Elliott Ness wannabees, but are more like Barney Fife.( ...Sorry Brits, a U.S TV reference.) But there are thousands on the web like this. They do not speak for U.S. government policy. They make broad, flat statements like "Islam is not compatible with democracy." My town has plenty of Islamic citizens, and last look we were still a democracy.)

The FAQ from "homelandsecurity" site referenced in techybloke's OP:


This section was created to answer the various questions and comments we receive from visitors to our site. I have taken the most asked questions and have attempted to answer them in detail in this section. Unless specified otherwise, I am the author of each response.--Douglas Hagmann, Director



What is the "Northeast Intelligence Network?"

     The Northeast Intelligence Network is a private research agency that monitors a number of different sources for information about potential terrorist activities, especially certain Islamic jihad websites on the internet. The core of our network is comprised of a group of individuals from various backgrounds, including but not limited to licensed investigators, current and former police officers, federal officials, military service personnel, and private citizens who have demonstrated an exceptional level of expertise in a number of areas related to information and intelligence gathering. Some are certified in Internet Profiling, Threat Assessment, and E-Mail Tracing, while others have developed a reliable network of human intelligence sources in the US and in other countries. Each volunteer has been hand selected and undergone a background investigation to verify their abilities and qualifications. We have joined together without pay (aside from donations from the public to offset our expenses) to search for, develop and submit information and electronic communications (Internet forum and chat data) relating to potential terrorist activities. Licensed investigators also might conduct field investigations as necessary, and those who excel in other areas perform a variety of other tasks that compliment our collective efforts.  All pertinent intelligence is forwarded to the applicable government agency for their assessment and action if warranted.

     Although our backgrounds are diverse, we share one comment element - we love our country and never want to see another 9/11 happen again. Not here, not anywhere. Some of the members of our network have permitted their biographical information to be posted on our site, while others have chosen to remain anonymous.

from techybloke; inference is the U.S. gubmint is offering these videos as "proof":

We can't even say if the explosives were semtex etc

and the US have video evidence again !!!!! proving the links

Funny how they keep finding videos all the time with conclusive proof

They are not from the U.S. government.

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

Emps wrote

Hardly - that sounds like they have got some news footage from the TV editted into a litle video and emailed it round their friends. Sick but not unexpected.

What it doesn't way is that this is actually al Qaeda footage of the bombings which would be a whole different kettle of fish.

Lets see how that one plays out - I suspect it will be quietly forgotten

You've lost me EMPS

Are you saying you believe the video to be a forgery made by the American chappy or the CIA/Necons or a real Al Kaeda group.

I was coming from the point of it being a fake made by the US government to harden support for the war on terror.

Heres the link to the Video in case you havent seen the whole thing.

http://crusader.rulez.jp/files/0709200502.wmv

What I mant was it sounded to me from the description like a pretty run of the mill video cobble together gloating about the bombing and not firsthand footage of the atrocity.

Watching the video it is even less than that - it seems to be a tape of various actions taken against Arabs/Moslems (attack on Iraq, shooting of children in Palestine, etc.) and some other stock footage (911) with a couple of stills from the press coverage of the bombings in London. It looks like it could be knocked togather from previous exisitng footage in a couple of minutes and it amazes me that an intelligence source would try and use this as evidence of anything. If anyone had bombed London there would be gloating video ciruclating amongst extreme factions and that is all that is.

This froteh same site is similar:
http://crusader.rulez.jp/files/0708200502.wmv

and is clearly lifted from press footage (you can even seen the BBC's TV info acros the bottom of the screen in one shot). Now I don't understand the Arabic but it doesn't seem to justify the statement in that report:

The video is significantly important as it connects al Qaeda to yesterday’s blasts in London.

It shows they are scumbags but no clear connection.

However, most people won't see the video and in a few weeks all they'll remember is a statement about it and not the reality.

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As a contrast that site also has video of actual terrorist outrages filmed firsthand like:

This blowing up of a US armoured vehicle in Iraq:
http://crusader.rulez.jp/files/0703200504.wmv

 

[sudi5]

Yithian asks:

Do you think they'd have warned them or considered the potential breach of secrecy too risky (such warnings could easily snowball as everyone looks out for their own) and so took the chance that they may kill fellow dissidents.

(I may be reading yur question unclearly, but...)
It doesn't seem that other civilian murderers are concerned with potentially killing other sympathizers. There seems to be a mindset that it is all for the cause. That the reward is Paradise and that the others will be rewarded if they are killed. (Based on the unproven assumption that the bombs were set by Islamic extremists.)

After all, there may have been a few Moslems on the planes who held the same views as the hijackers of the 9/11 planes, and that didn't stop them. (That is based on the assumption that you do not think the U.S. government murdered about 3,000 people to start a war.)