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London Bombings: Conspiracies

Just another coincidence - kind of trivial in the circumstances - I noticed from a picture in the paper the other day - part of the advertisement remaining along the side of the bombed bus had the words "..good terror.." if I remember correctly.

Think it was part of a review quote for a film.

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Re. this 'Israeli Embassy was warned minutes beforehand' business. If this is true (and I do say 'if'), does it necessarily have such conspiratorial implications? Suppose that UK Intelligence had picked up a very vague whisper or piece of 'chatter' that something was going to go off Thursday...but they don't know where or when. So, as a precaution, they warn the Israelis because they know that Netanyahu is in town for a conference, thinking he may be the target. This isn't mass deception of commuters, if the information was too vague to indicate that it would be the transport system that would be hit.

Or maybe the story was fed to the Israeli army radio by their secret service as some sort of ploy to discredit ours?? Who knows what goes on in the 'murky looking glass world of mirrors' that is the Intelligence services ..
 
sifaka said:
Re. this 'Israeli Embassy was warned minutes beforehand' business. If this is true (and I do say 'if'), does it necessarily have such conspiratorial implications? Suppose that UK Intelligence had picked up a very vague whisper or piece of 'chatter' that something was going to go off Thursday...but they don't know where or when. So, as a precaution, they warn the Israelis because they know that Netanyahu is in town for a conference, thinking he may be the target. This isn't mass deception of commuters, if the information was too vague to indicate that it would be the transport system that would be hit.

Or maybe the story was fed to the Israeli army radio by their secret service as some sort of ploy to discredit ours?? Who knows what goes on in the 'murky looking glass world of mirrors' that is the Intelligence services ..

If they thought they had enough info to warn the Israelis - why not the rest of us?
 
If they thought they had enough info to warn the Israelis - why not the rest of us?

Who can say? Probably a Jewish plot to take over the world :roll:

For heaven's sake people... keep your eye on the ball
 
Perhaps because the information was so vague, along the lines of the possibility of bombs in London that day. What could they do - tell everyone not to come into London?

Or maybe there is no substance to the story at all?

Jerusalem Post denies warning was before 1st bomb

Last 3 paragraphs:

"What one source did note, however, was that Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu received a call from British police soon after the first explosion, but before the full extent of the attacks was known, because it had occurred by the site of a conference at which he was to speak and for which he was about to depart. After the call from the police to his security staff, Netanyahu stayed put.

One Jewish official suggested that the "conspiracy theory" about Israel's prior warning lasted all day, despite immediate official denials, because a dispute still rages about whether Israeli officials tipped off British intelligence before the Israeli Embassy was bombed in 1994.

Others made a connection with the empty 9/11 rumor that Jews had received a warning to vacate the World Trade Center before the hijacked airplanes hit."

So, either the 'warning before 1st bomb' story was altered to become 'after the 1st bomb' at the request of UK intelligence services? OR it was merely a mistake on the behalf of the original journalist? (could be compared with Dubya's statement, "after we saw the 1st plane hit the tower..." But he couldn't have seen this, he meant the 2nd plane - it was a slip of the tongue by a not-very-eloquent public speaker. A mistake then becomes the basis for a conspiracy...?)
 
It's often better to let the damage be done, than cause panic by forewarning...
 
Quake said:
If they thought they had enough info to warn the Israelis - why not the rest of us?

Who can say? Probably a Jewish plot to take over the world :roll:

For heaven's sake people... keep your eye on the ball


I said 'they' - I did not mention Jews at all.

:no-no:
 
Of course this being the biggest news story of the summer thus far. Key boards around the world are taking a pounding. The internet is a wonderful place. As I became aware of the story out of London, I turned on my television, my am radio and my shortwave scanner and of course my some what trusty computer. While all the other media played in the back ground I was getting first hand information on IRC and of course the flurried post that was going on here on this message board. The room I was chatting in is based in South Africa, so it has quite a global clientel. as things were unfolding the one common theme was that it was an act of terrorisim. I don't think this was a jump to any conclusions, I think it was a natureal path that we have learned to follow when something like this happens.
Wether or not this was Al-q does not really matter does it? I can tell you who it wasn't, it wasn't the IRA. I will admit that I do not fully understand the whole Ireland issue. I do however feel that I have a fair grasp of religious zealousy. I am going to make an assumtion here that the bombers are children of Islam. The perversion of the Quaran reminds me so much of the perversion of the Bible that I was witness to in my years as a Baptist. Religious zeal is something that is very hard to beat. I tend to see the acts of terror anywhere as a religious thing more than a political one. ( I must amend this, the things going on in Africa and the Former USSR are way political)
If every trooper were pulled out of Iraq tomorrow, what do you think would happen? If you think they needed mass graves when saddam was in power, you just wait and see what the jihadists have planned.
They fight for their God and feel that whatever it takes to advance their perception of an Islamic world is justified.
I know Christians in this country that think bombing an abortion clinic is all part of service to God and Gods children.
The Japanese made their heroic stand in the south pacific in part for deep religious conviction.

As for the way Blair did his first statement, it did not seem very smooth to me at all, I thought he looked quite rattled and pissed off. What I have seen of Blair in the prepared speaches he delivers he is all most as eloquent as Mr.Churchill was.

I lay my bet on this being an attack by the perverters of Islam.
This was no inside job.

Peace
=^..^=217
 
DeGriz said:
[Whilst I find racism in all its forms totally repulsive, I find cries of "ANTI SEMITISM!!" every time anyone says anything bad about Isreal almost as bad. Can these people do no wrong?

The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing
 
I lay my bet on this being an attack by the perverters of Islam.
This was no inside job.


Don't count your chickens to soon

I keep hearing Madrid same as Madrid


there was no conclusive proof Madrid was AQ

The two alledged bombers that were accidentally killed were both linked the secret service in Spain !

And the type of explosives used in Spain had never been used by AQ before

it was normally used by ETA

It could have been staged for the elections theres lots of questions about it all unanswered as usual.
 
I have it from a good source that the otters at London Zoo did not leave their shed between 08.30 and 10.00 on the morning of the London attack.

Arghh! The otters are coming. The otters are coming!!!

Quake said:
For heaven's sake people... keep your eye on the ball

Audible but terribly civilised ripple of approval from Spook's corner.
 
Those damn otters! You can't trust the buggers with their teeny-tiny claws, wiggly whiskers - they were behind the Black Wednesday financial crash in the city, y'know!
 
Stormkhan said:
Those damn otters! You can't trust the buggers with their teeny-tiny claws, wiggly whiskers - they were behind the Black Wednesday financial crash in the city, y'know!

So Tarka the Otter was a thinly disguised propaganda film?

Blimey another cherished childhood memory crumbles like 70's white crumbly dog-poo in my hands.
 
Its not Otters but actually the Beavers setting the Otters up to take the fall. What religion the Beavers belong to is currently unknown!
 
For heaven's sake people... keep your eye on the ball


a bit too footbally for me

I prefer "straight down the middle"

Its a shame the governments don't always play down the middle too
 
Bit of a Catch 22 though isn't it, we'd never elect a politician who told the truth because the truth is frequently unpalatable, then when we elect a liar we expect him to tell the truth?
 
then when we elect a liar and expect him to tell the truth?

Hey speak for yourself mate I did,nt vote for the lying ******

I never agreed with the war on Iraq not one day.

These might be genuine AQ - I don't know

But they sure as hell we good timing for Tony and Bush.

I,m surprised we have not had the usual Bin Laden video found yet !

maybe next week hey ;)
 
Expert fears explosives came from military

greets

Expert fears explosives came from military

GETHIN CHAMBERLAIN AND JAMES KIRKUP

THE bombs which blew apart three Tube trains and a bus in London last week were probably made from military explosives, a senior French counter-terrorism official claimed yesterday.

Christophe Chaboud, the head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, said the explosives could have come from the Balkans or may have been sourced from a military establishment by someone on the inside.

Mr Chaboud, one of five top officials sent by Paris to London immediately after Thursday's attacks, said: "The explosives appear to be of military origin, which is very worrying."

The claim was made as attention focused on five men (profiled above) whose names have been linked with the terrorist attacks, and who include Mohamed Gerbouzi, a convicted bomber who is believed to be at large in London.

Investigators are said to be struggling to make headway in their search for the bombers, with Britain turning to other countries for help after failing to make an initial breakthrough.

The consensus is that the attack was the work of Islamic extremist terrorists and the names of a number of suspects have been reported, but security sources have poured scorn on suggestions that they already have a firm list of those in the frame.

"Right now, everything flows from the forensics - we're looking for the evidence we'll use to find them and then convict them," one source said. "So far, we have made no arrests, no raids, no extradition requests - we're just not at that stage yet."

As the hunt for the bombers continued police were X-raying bodies to see if any bomb parts or timing devices, which could be vital clues, were embedded in them.

Police are hoping that the 2,500 closed-circuit television tapes may yet yield footage of the bombers and Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, appealed for people to give his officers time.

He described the areas of investigation as "the biggest crime scenes in English history" and added: "We have got to get this right."

But he insisted that the police would be "implacable" in tracking down the people responsible: "We know we have the support of Londoners and people around the world to solve this terrible crime," he said. "These people will be caught."

Every square centimetre of the tunnels as well as the trains had to be scrutinised, he said, which was a lengthy process. Officers also had to follow up 2,000 calls to the anti-terrorist hotline as well as 115,000 calls to the casualty bureau.

Andy Trotter, deputy chief constable of the British Transport Police, said the conditions were slowly improving in Russell Square with better ventilation causing the temperature to drop inside the tunnel.

Underlying the absence of any firm leads, Scotland Yard at the weekend convened an unusual gathering of international police and intelligence officers to discuss the case. "There was a meeting, but it didn't tell us anything," said one European police officer yesterday. "We offered any help we could, but the British don't know what they're looking for so they couldn't say what they need from us."

MI5 and GCHQ analysts are understood to be sifting through thousands of intercepted e-mails and phone records picked up in the weeks and months before the attacks, trying to detect patterns and clues that could lead the way to the bombers or their associates.

As well as material collected by GCHQ, the investigation is drawing on the ECHELON network, a signals intelligence-sharing agreement between Britain, the United States, Australia and New Zealand.

The slow progress of the intelligence review is not caused by a lack of raw data, but rather the difficulty of plucking out a tiny number of potentially significant fragments from an almost limitless pool of intercepted material.

"The problem isn't that there is too little information, it's that there is too much," said one source. "There is an ocean of information out there, and more just pours in every day. No matter what the resources we can throw at it, it's always going to be a huge task."

Yesterday, security officials in Poland searched the home of a British citizen of Pakistani origin in the eastern city of Lublin in connection with the bombings, but he was not detained. Three British men were also held under the Terrorism Act after they arrived at Heathrow Airport from abroad, but sources said they were not being linked to the terrorist attacks and they were released.

As police continued to sift through the CCTV images yesterday, one terrorism expert predicted pictures of the bombers may be available within a fortnight.

Dr Andrew Silke based his estimate on the previous case of the London nail bomber David Copeland. He was identified by his boss and a cab driver after police released an image taken from a CCTV tape outside Brixton station in south London on the day he planted his first bomb in April 1999.

Dr Silke, a criminologist, said: "It took just over three weeks to find David Copeland from CCTV and there was less footage available. I think police will identify these bombers in a similar time because the systems involved are much better.

"We should within two weeks have those pictures released to the media - at least some images of some of the bombers."

Unconfirmed reports that security cameras aboard the No 30 bus which blew up in Tavistock Square were defective would, if true, be a serious blow to the investigation, he said.

"It is a real pity as these would have been the easiest ones from which to identify the bomber," he said.

"That is a real loss. The good thing about the Tube's system is that it has so many cameras and even if a couple were down it will still be on there somewhere. It will take a lot longer to analyse images from the Tube, however."

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=787542005

if it is military explosives i suspect they'll be able to identify what batch it was. mind you given the appalling gaffes british forensics specialists have made over the years especially in high-profile cases like this, i'm not sure how much credence to give to what may emerge from that line of enquiry

mal
 
US planted it, to take heat off climate change debate which achieved nothing except an increase in share prices for air-conditioning manufacturers.
 
Few interesting snippets amongst the run of the mill stuff in this article on New Scientist


http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? ... news_rss20


Apparently the blasts coincided with 2 power surges and the explosives used were of military origin, which military is not stated. Also whether the blasts caused the power surge, vice versa, or just coincidence is not stated either.
 
greets

DG - nice article

(so there were power surges - i know that all sorts of cables run along the tunnels at window height (on some lines at least) - could an explosion on a tube carriage have damaged the cables and caused the power surge?)

as for the bus bomb - it is a bit of a mystery. if the representations of bomb making on TV shows is any guide (don't try it at home) - then once the timers are set then the person carrying the bomb won't be able to alter the timing unless they unpackage it? - be a bit obvious on top of a bus?

so we have to assume it was timed to go off when it did go off.

mal
 
One wonders if the bus bomb were an accident? Perhaps the bomb was intended to go off on a tube but the tube system was closed down before he/she had chance to place it and the bomber was carrying it around when the timer ran out.

I recall a passenger on the bus mentioning a gent fiddling with a bag at his feet nervously, perhaps trying to reset a timer?
 
"They did their worst, and they managed to disrupt our transport network and get fatalities in the low double figures. That happens on a fairly regular basis anyway, you twits. What's your next trick - a fiendish weather control device which makes it rain on a bank holiday weekend?"
--Barry Sarll

:rofl:
 
lemonpie said:
"They did their worst, and they managed to disrupt our transport network and get fatalities in the low double figures. That happens on a fairly regular basis anyway, you twits. What's your next trick - a fiendish weather control device which makes it rain on a bank holiday weekend?"
--Barry Sarll

:rofl:

Yeah thats funny.
 
As far as I remember there was talk of power surges causing problems slightly before the bomb reports came in although obviously that could be attributed to large explosions..
 
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