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Aha, but for a plane to have lift both sides up the old Bonoulli idea just won't sit right, as one side has to be flat the other rounded. But thank you.
http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/146_magic.shtmlJustin Anstey said:Is that FT article Morning of the Magicians a fair depiction of magic/k?
We all do such rituals, and they do seem to work for most of us, most of the time, so where's the harm? Maybe it's a Fortean trait to trust such things without having a clue what's really going on.
To futher the discussion, then, I must ask what would count as Magick, in your lexicon? Can you offer an example of what you'd call Magick?
anyone who believes in the literal reality of the supernatural is living in a cartoon world
but then its called technologyrynner said:And after the interogation has produced some answers, Science can affect the world too.
Welcome to the FTMB! (I'm one of the Mods.)Greens001 said:(hello to the forum. First post.)
Greens001 said:Is that they get involved in magick for the wrong reasons, and go about it the wrong way. I can't count the number of people who have decided to try spells and rituals and stuff to attracts mates, get more money, or any of the other silly human things we want but don't want to work for.
Almost every magical tradition I've read about has a mechanism which basically says that anything you do to another comes back on you, (i.e. karma, the Wiccan Rede, what have you.) Most of the people who have problems with magick or get screwed up after doing a spell aren't aware that they might have done something to someone else via their work, and that manipulation of another's will rebounds on them as misfortune.
To me, the true understanding of magick comes from the understanding that the forces exist, and knowing that you really shouldn't get invovled. By trying to do things in a purely mundane manner, instead of asking a deity or spirit or whatever to intervene, is the purest form of magick-you work on yourself, not others, and you only have yourself to blame when things go wrong.
It's a bit like martial arts-if you get invovled purely to control or hurt others, you'll eventually get bitten in the ass by someone or something that is bigger, badder, and more skilled than you are.
I'll gladly discuss this further with anyopne who cares to reply via e-mail.
Charles
(hello to the forum. First post.)
eljubbo said:Lastly, I don't think that asking for material wealth, sexual gratification or whatever is inherently "wrong" or against magical practice. It's all about (as in wider life) taking responsibility and being aware of the possible consequences of your actions.
eljubbo said:Lastly, I don't think that asking for material wealth, sexual gratification or whatever is inherently "wrong" or against magical practice. It's all about (as in wider life) taking responsibility and being aware of the possible consequences of your actions.