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People Who Just Disappear (Go Missing)

A lot on there that seem to be people vanishing near water and not being found for months. Also a fair few going off and making themselves new lives. I thought it was fascinating reading (but maybe I'm odd).
 
A lot on there that seem to be people vanishing near water and not being found for months. Also a fair few going off and making themselves new lives. I thought it was fascinating reading (but maybe I'm odd).
I've mentioned on this or similar threads before that people constantly underestimate the ability of the outdoors to chew people up without trace, only for bones or a few scraps of clothing to turn up years later - and some will never turn up, because no-one comes across them.
 
This is all sliding into silliness. Nobody believes public-spirited adults who intervene when little kids wander off are paedophiles.
For a start, parents won't be calling the police to report the rescuer because they'll have to explain why Junior was out on their own in the first place.

Speaking for myself, and possibly for @SimonBurchell and @Stillill:
I have never let an unaccompanied small child, a toddler, i.e. a child still wearing a nappy or only just out of them walk past me and I never will.

Anyone who does that and later hears that the child came to harm; good luck living with yourself.
 
I remember early issues of Fortean Times had mysterious disappearances that later turned out to be Fred West's victims.
The Wests and the equally despicable Robert Black seem to have accounted for most of the missing/murdered female teenagers, young women and girls for quite a few years.

A victim of the Wests, one Lucy Partington, a cousin of the writer Martin Amis, was abducted from a bus stop after visiting a friend.
Ten year later her disappearance was the subject of a TV documentary. She stuck in my mind because she looked like me, especially at the time of the programme.

I used to amuse my children by scribbling little caricatures of the family. Mine had big specs and frizzy hair like Lucy. Could easily have been her.
 
The Wests and the equally despicable Robert Black seem to have accounted for most of the missing/murdered female teenagers, young women and girls for quite a few years.

A victim of the Wests, one Lucy Partington, a cousin of the writer Martin Amis, was abducted from a bus stop after visiting a friend.
Ten year later her disappearance was the subject of a TV documentary. She stuck in my mind because she looked like me, especially at the time of the programme.

I used to amuse my children by scribbling little caricatures of the family. Mine had big specs and frizzy hair like Lucy. Could easily have been her.
I think that was one of the ones mentioned in an early FT.
 
This is all sliding into silliness. Nobody believes public-spirited adults who intervene when little kids wander off are paedophiles.
For a start, parents won't be calling the police to report the rescuer because they'll have to explain why Junior was out on their own in the first place.
Interestingly, I noticed this story yesterday which seems to be suggesting just that. A pair of young children wandered off at a holiday park, a woman seems to have tried to intervene and was yelled at. Now she is being "hunted" by the police.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27092935/urgent-hunt-woman-holding-children-holiday-park-cornwall/

According to reports, the woman was walking around Lizard Point Holiday Park on Sunday, March 24.

She was spotted between the hours of 5pm and 6pm.

It was at the same time that the two young children made their way into an arcade prompting a desperate search by the parents.

According to cops, a dad screamed "to let go" after seeing the woman holding the two kids.

The two youngsters then returned to their family safely.

Devon and Cornwall Police have now issued a hunt to find the woman.

Cops said: "It is reported that two young children entered the arcade from the adjacent function room, and when the father of one of the children went to find them, he entered the arcade to find a woman unknown to him was holding each child by the arm.


"The father shouted for the woman to let go of the children, which she did. The children were then taken back to their families.
I could be wrong but it was either an attempted abduction or someone tried to rescue two unattended young children. Which is more likely?
 
Interestingly, I noticed this story yesterday which seems to be suggesting just that. A pair of young children wandered off at a holiday park, a woman seems to have tried to intervene and was yelled at. Now she is being "hunted" by the police.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27092935/urgent-hunt-woman-holding-children-holiday-park-cornwall/


I could be wrong but it was either an attempted abduction or someone tried to rescue two unattended young children. Which is more likely?
The father of those children who let them go off alone will no doubt be blaming the woman who apprehended them.
 
The father of those children who let them go off alone will no doubt be blaming the woman who apprehended them.

There is the danger of being set upon by a mob stirred up by the neglectful parent. In this case the rozzers seem to be ignoring the neglect by the father. Maybe he's a doctor with political connections.
 
I remember early issues of Fortean Times had mysterious disappearances that later turned out to be Fred West's victims.
I put down the book on Fred and Rosemary West, because, you know, difficult reading, but will start reading it again tonight...
A lot on there that seem to be people vanishing near water and not being found for months. Also a fair few going off and making themselves new lives. I thought it was fascinating reading (but maybe I'm odd).
You're not odd, you're a thoroughly fascinating complex carbon based biped, and we wouldn't have you any other way....:bthumbup:
 
Many of the stories are a salutory lesson for those (thinking about the missing in US parks etc), who think there's something weird afoot if a body can't be found very quickly. Even people missing in the tiny UK can not be found for a considerable while, just because they aren't where they are expected to be, even if thorough searches are carried out.
 
Many of the stories are a salutory lesson for those (thinking about the missing in US parks etc), who think there's something weird afoot if a body can't be found very quickly. Even people missing in the tiny UK can not be found for a considerable while, just because they aren't where they are expected to be, even if thorough searches are carried out.
Yes, I sometimes hike on very seldom-used public footpaths, miles from the nearest real village. I sometimes think I could be walking within yards of a body and never know it.
 
Yes, I sometimes hike on very seldom-used public footpaths, miles from the nearest real village. I sometimes think I could be walking within yards of a body and never know it.
Which is why bodies are often found by dog walkers. Not only because dog walkers venture into places that are infrequently travelled, but because dogs can be very...nosy...when they smell something dead.
 
55 years, new appeal.

Police officers have issued a fresh appeal for information to help solve the disappearance of a teenage girl 55 years ago.

April Fabb, 13, was last seen near her home in Metton, Norfolk, on 8 April 1969. She had been cycling to her sister's house in a nearby village to deliver a birthday present to her brother-in-law.

Retired Det Ch Insp Andy Guy said the cold case still resonated with people and remained open.

"Sadly, both her parents have died without knowing what happened to April, along with others who may have had information," said Mr Guy, who manages the police's cold case review team for Norfolk and Suffolk. "However, loyalties and circumstances change over the years and we would encourage anyone with information that could help provide answers to come forward."

Norfolk Constabulary April Fabb bike
Norfolk Constabulary
Police later staged a reconstruction of where April's bike was found in a field

April was described by a detective who worked on the case as "our Lord Lucan".

Her bicycle was found by Ordnance Survey workers lying in a field on the Metton to Roughton road an hour after she left home. The discovery was made just 10 minutes after an employee at Harrison's Farm saw her cycling just a few hundred yards away in Cromer Road.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-68743234
 
Which is why bodies are often found by dog walkers. Not only because dog walkers venture into places that are infrequently travelled, but because dogs can be very...nosy...when they smell something dead.
Or, most murderers are dog walkers. They murder random walkers and return later and report the body. "Of course my prints and DNA are all over it, I was trying to keep the dog away and check whether they were still alive and needed help." :evil:
 
Or, most murderers are dog walkers. They murder random walkers and return later and report the body. "Of course my prints and DNA are all over it, I was trying to keep the dog away and check whether they were still alive and needed help." :evil:
The dog would dob them in. You can't trust a dog.
 
Which is why bodies are often found by dog walkers. Not only because dog walkers venture into places that are infrequently travelled, but because dogs can be very...nosy...when they smell something dead.
Yup, my JRT would roll enthusiastically on anything dead she found. She had a friend who'd join her at the drop of a hat. :puke2:
 
Military Police admit they messed up in original investigation.

The father of a girl who went missing more than 40 years ago has said he will hand back his Army medals in protest over the handling of the case.

Katrice Lee vanished on her second birthday near a British military base in Paderborn, Germany, in 1981.

Richard Lee, of Hartlepool, said he would be joined by other veterans when he travels to Downing Street on 31 May to return his medals.

The Ministry of Defence said its "sympathies were with the family".

Katrice had been with her mother, Sharon, and her aunt, Wendy, at a Naafi (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) supermarket when she disappeared.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-68811879
 
Military Police admit they messed up in original investigation.

The father of a girl who went missing more than 40 years ago has said he will hand back his Army medals in protest over the handling of the case.

Katrice Lee vanished on her second birthday near a British military base in Paderborn, Germany, in 1981.

Richard Lee, of Hartlepool, said he would be joined by other veterans when he travels to Downing Street on 31 May to return his medals.

The Ministry of Defence said its "sympathies were with the family".

Katrice had been with her mother, Sharon, and her aunt, Wendy, at a Naafi (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) supermarket when she disappeared.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-68811879
Sadly after all this time it seems the best Katrice's family can hope for is closure in the form of her remains being found.
Returning the medals should get her Dad some good photos. I hope other service people turn up as promised.
 
The Wests and the equally despicable Robert Black seem to have accounted for most of the missing/murdered female teenagers, young women and girls for quite a few years.

A victim of the Wests, one Lucy Partington, a cousin of the writer Martin Amis, was abducted from a bus stop after visiting a friend.
Ten year later her disappearance was the subject of a TV documentary. She stuck in my mind because she looked like me, especially at the time of the programme.

I should think there are undiscovered victims of the Wests. I’ve mentioned before I knew someone who ran a building firm with his father, during the big house-building phase in the 70’s, 80’s, (this town really began to sprawl back then) and into the 90’s. Sometimes the whole firm was taken on by one of the big builders but they also did a lot of private work, garages, extensions, conservatories etc pretty much all over the south-west, anywhere from Bristol to south Wales, Oxford and further.

The chap was a bit of a jack the lad and never very serious about anything, but when the bodies were found and it was all over the news, he said he’d employed Fred West a few times, cash-in-hand back then, and he’d often be on-site before anyone else and leave later. He genuinely feared that West might have disposed of victims. But where do you start? There were so many building sites, so many houses going up in the area, whole estates seemed to go up in a few months. It was the one time I ever saw this man not worried, but very serious and thoughtful.

I have a lovely book by Marian Partington, Lucy Partington’s older sister called ‘If You Sit Very Still.’ It’s about her journey toward forgiveness and I found it incredibly moving but I thought if it had happened to my sister, I could never forgive. The title was from a dream she had of Lucy a year after she vanished. She asked where Lucy had been and Lucy smiled at her and said she had been sitting in a water meadow near Grantham and then, ‘If you sit very still, you can hear the sun move.’ Many parts of that book had me in tears.
 
This is all sliding into silliness. Nobody believes public-spirited adults who intervene when little kids wander off are paedophiles.
For a start, parents won't be calling the police to report the rescuer because they'll have to explain why Junior was out on their own in the first place.
Never underestimate what could be, charitably, called paranoia on the part of one section of the population. With enforced stay-at-home-ness owing to lack of energy (cardiac thing awaiting attention) one thing that keeps me sane is noodling around in the Internet. Facebook remains a productive seam of delight, communication, weirdness and occasional "uggh" - you never know what's going to pop up next.,

One such thing on my FB feed is a relatively new charitable concern, that takes an interestingly radical stance on the vexed issue of paedophilia. What they are offering is an environment where people who think they're at risk of becoming offenders, but have not yet offended, a safe place where they can explore the issues, self-help, and be guided out of a state of mind where they are a potential risk - in other words, to help troubled people integrate and socialise better. It's understood that somebody in that state of mind is likely, among other things, to be incredibly isolated and fearful. Who could they safely go to, for one thing?

This is constructive and commonsense: get to people before they offend and help revise and rebuild their ways of thinking to make sure they never do. Which might well save a ton of hurt to a lot of people, later down the line. I should imagine it also adds to psychological insight as to how this mind-set originates in the first place, which is no bad thing.

So of course it brings all the self-righteous and hard-of-thinking "paedo hunters" from under their particular stones, and the comments fields under these adverts are a total delight to read, as you might expect. (Am I alone in thinking the "paedo hunter" vigilantes are an even bigger social and public problem than the people they've self-appointed to hunt? You get a mob of people out there acting as police force, judge, jury and if they could get away with it, executioner, like the Witchfinders of old...)

These are EXACTLY the sort of people who'd consider the public-spirited adult is acting from the worst of motives. Every time. No wonder people do not want to get involved!
 
I should think there are undiscovered victims of the Wests. I’ve mentioned before I knew someone who ran a building firm with his father, during the big house-building phase in the 70’s, 80’s, (this town really began to sprawl back then) and into the 90’s. Sometimes the whole firm was taken on by one of the big builders but they also did a lot of private work, garages, extensions, conservatories etc pretty much all over the south-west, anywhere from Bristol to south Wales, Oxford and further.

The chap was a bit of a jack the lad and never very serious about anything, but when the bodies were found and it was all over the news, he said he’d employed Fred West a few times, cash-in-hand back then, and he’d often be on-site before anyone else and leave later. He genuinely feared that West might have disposed of victims. But where do you start? There were so many building sites, so many houses going up in the area, whole estates seemed to go up in a few months. It was the one time I ever saw this man not worried, but very serious and thoughtful.

I have a lovely book by Marian Partington, Lucy Partington’s older sister called ‘If You Sit Very Still.’ It’s about her journey toward forgiveness and I found it incredibly moving but I thought if it had happened to my sister, I could never forgive. The title was from a dream she had of Lucy a year after she vanished. She asked where Lucy had been and Lucy smiled at her and said she had been sitting in a water meadow near Grantham and then, ‘If you sit very still, you can hear the sun move.’ Many parts of that book had me in tears.
There was an article about Marian Partington in the Observer which described Marian's feelings about holding Lucy's skull. Is that in the book?
 
Never underestimate what could be, charitably, called paranoia on the part of one section of the population. With enforced stay-at-home-ness owing to lack of energy (cardiac thing awaiting attention) one thing that keeps me sane is noodling around in the Internet. Facebook remains a productive seam of delight, communication, weirdness and occasional "uggh" - you never know what's going to pop up next.,

One such thing on my FB feed is a relatively new charitable concern, that takes an interestingly radical stance on the vexed issue of paedophilia. What they are offering is an environment where people who think they're at risk of becoming offenders, but have not yet offended, a safe place where they can explore the issues, self-help, and be guided out of a state of mind where they are a potential risk - in other words, to help troubled people integrate and socialise better. It's understood that somebody in that state of mind is likely, among other things, to be incredibly isolated and fearful. Who could they safely go to, for one thing?

This is constructive and commonsense: get to people before they offend and help revise and rebuild their ways of thinking to make sure they never do. Which might well save a ton of hurt to a lot of people, later down the line. I should imagine it also adds to psychological insight as to how this mind-set originates in the first place, which is no bad thing.

So of course it brings all the self-righteous and hard-of-thinking "paedo hunters" from under their particular stones, and the comments fields under these adverts are a total delight to read, as you might expect. (Am I alone in thinking the "paedo hunter" vigilantes are an even bigger social and public problem than the people they've self-appointed to hunt? You get a mob of people out there acting as police force, judge, jury and if they could get away with it, executioner, like the Witchfinders of old...)

These are EXACTLY the sort of people who'd consider the public-spirited adult is acting from the worst of motives. Every time. No wonder people do not want to get involved!
I was talking about seeing unattended toddlers walking along in the open air and intervening because they are in immediate danger. I have done this myself and never been accused of anything untoward.
 
Never underestimate what could be, charitably, called paranoia on the part of one section of the population. With enforced stay-at-home-ness owing to lack of energy (cardiac thing awaiting attention) one thing that keeps me sane is noodling around in the Internet. Facebook remains a productive seam of delight, communication, weirdness and occasional "uggh" - you never know what's going to pop up next.,

One such thing on my FB feed is a relatively new charitable concern, that takes an interestingly radical stance on the vexed issue of paedophilia. What they are offering is an environment where people who think they're at risk of becoming offenders, but have not yet offended, a safe place where they can explore the issues, self-help, and be guided out of a state of mind where they are a potential risk - in other words, to help troubled people integrate and socialise better. It's understood that somebody in that state of mind is likely, among other things, to be incredibly isolated and fearful. Who could they safely go to, for one thing?

This is constructive and commonsense: get to people before they offend and help revise and rebuild their ways of thinking to make sure they never do. Which might well save a ton of hurt to a lot of people, later down the line. I should imagine it also adds to psychological insight as to how this mind-set originates in the first place, which is no bad thing.

So of course it brings all the self-righteous and hard-of-thinking "paedo hunters" from under their particular stones, and the comments fields under these adverts are a total delight to read, as you might expect. (Am I alone in thinking the "paedo hunter" vigilantes are an even bigger social and public problem than the people they've self-appointed to hunt? You get a mob of people out there acting as police force, judge, jury and if they could get away with it, executioner, like the Witchfinders of old...)

These are EXACTLY the sort of people who'd consider the public-spirited adult is acting from the worst of motives. Every time. No wonder people do not want to
In the 90s there was a scheme in East London which worked to prevent sex offenders re-offending. They had to have pleaded guilty and they had to have allowed the facts to be opened in a way that reflected the truth of what had happened. I believe their approach was to persistently challenge the offender’s beliefs and attitudes and to show no sympathy. I remember they had a very low level of re-offending but I don’t know if they still are working.
 
I should think there are undiscovered victims of the Wests. I’ve mentioned before I knew someone who ran a building firm with his father, during the big house-building phase in the 70’s, 80’s, (this town really began to sprawl back then) and into the 90’s. Sometimes the whole firm was taken on by one of the big builders but they also did a lot of private work, garages, extensions, conservatories etc pretty much all over the south-west, anywhere from Bristol to south Wales, Oxford and further.

The chap was a bit of a jack the lad and never very serious about anything, but when the bodies were found and it was all over the news, he said he’d employed Fred West a few times, cash-in-hand back then, and he’d often be on-site before anyone else and leave later. He genuinely feared that West might have disposed of victims. But where do you start? There were so many building sites, so many houses going up in the area, whole estates seemed to go up in a few months. It was the one time I ever saw this man not worried, but very serious and thoughtful.

I have a lovely book by Marian Partington, Lucy Partington’s older sister called ‘If You Sit Very Still.’ It’s about her journey toward forgiveness and I found it incredibly moving but I thought if it had happened to my sister, I could never forgive. The title was from a dream she had of Lucy a year after she vanished. She asked where Lucy had been and Lucy smiled at her and said she had been sitting in a water meadow near Grantham and then, ‘If you sit very still, you can hear the sun move.’ Many parts of that book had me in tears.
I listened to an interview today with Marian Partington talking about Lucy, and how she eventually forgave Rose West. It was incredibly moving.
 
I was talking about seeing unattended toddlers walking along in the open air and intervening because they are in immediate danger. I have done this myself and never been accused of anything untoward.
I did exactly the same. I watched a small boy, possibly 4 years old, maybe younger, walking down the road for about a minute and looked also for an adult. The road was a quite road and it became obvious he was on his own.

I stopped him and asked him where he was going and he said to see his dad. He didn't seem to know where he lived exactly but it was along there. He said he'd escaped from home via a loose fence panel.

I held his hand and phoned 999 and explained the situation and the police were there within minutes.

After a brief conversation with the coppers I was on my way.
 
I did exactly the same. I watched a small boy, possibly 4 years old, maybe younger, walking down the road for about a minute and looked also for an adult. The road was a quite road and it became obvious he was on his own.

I stopped him and asked him where he was going and he said to see his dad. He didn't seem to know where he lived exactly but it was along there. He said he'd escaped from home via a loose fence panel.

I held his hand and phoned 999 and explained the situation and the police were there within minutes.

After a brief conversation with the coppers I was on my way.
Great work, well done. :bthumbup:

That's often the age of kid that does this. They are physically up to it but of course have no sense of danger. Disaster is minutes away.
 
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