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Might be, but the person in the center of the accusations, James Alefantis, seems to be a creepy dude. Jimmycomet is his instagram name.
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“Pizzagate”: How 4Chan Uncovered the Sick World of Washington’s Occult Elite
November 15, 2016
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Posters over at 4Chan and Reddit have been conducting an extremely bizarre investigation following the John Podesta e-mail leak (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman) and the results are surreal: They’ve apparently uncovered an elite child trafficking network which celebrates its tendencies using code words and disturbing artworks.

Warning: This article contains disturbing material

In my article Clinton’s Campaign Chairman John Podesta Invited to an Occult ‘Spirit Cooking’ Dinner by Marina Abramović, I explained how a mundane dinner invitation found in the Podesta e-mail leaks was actually a clear link to bizarre occult ceremonies happening at the highest levels of power. While that by itself was rather shocking, it appears to only be the tip of a very disgusting iceberg.


4Chan effectively unearthed a strange network of high-powered people who, through art, events and social media, actually celebrate a culture that revolves around death, torture, cannibalism and … child abuse. Most of this disturbing material was not even hidden, it was out there in the open, exposed on business’ walls and posted on social media.

Furthermore, an analysis of the Podesta e-mails revealed that the network appeared to communicate using code words to coverup their shady dealings.

The epicenter of this entire thing is, believe or not, a hipster pizza place named Comet Ping Pong.

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In short, Alefantis is very connected to very powerful people. Now let’s look at his Instagram account, which was publicly accessible: http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilant...ncovered-sick-world-washingtons-occult-elite/

Yith: long text cut - for photographs follow link [not wanting to duplicate weird photographs of children without consent].
 
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If those photos are their standard, I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it.
 

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Pizzagate seems to be all over Youtube at the moment.
I did wonder WTF it was about... thought it was some scandal concerning fraudulent purchases of pizza...
 

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Do I need to point out that the "man standing behind her" is in fact standing with his back to her, in front of a ping pong table, at a place called Comet Ping Pong. Or that in the other photo the girl is holding on orange in her hand and judging by the background is in an actual grocery store.
 

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Do I need to point out that the "man standing behind her" is in fact standing with his back to her, in front of a ping pong table, at a place called Comet Ping Pong. Or that in the other photo the girl is holding on orange in her hand and judging by the background is in an actual grocery store.
Actually, no - the man behind the girl is facing the camera.
 

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Some 'right wingers' on another forum were spreading this stuff.....has any mainstream or serious media outlet reported on this? It sounds like an internet hoax.
Interestingly this idea of 'occult or satanic' groups has bee around for a very long time and tied to both the right and the left in the past. I recall people like Alex Jones saying that rich right wingers at Bohemian Grove practiced such things and now the right including Jones are blaming the left now that their buddy Drumpf has been elected.
Ya gotta love politics and conspiracies.
 

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Also, that is the guy's calf, not his shin.
It does look ambiguous, yes.
However...look closely. You can see his fly (zipper). The bulge in that area also does not look like yer average bum.
 

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I think that is just the usual fit of cargo pants.

Well, people would claim it's a witch hunt either way.
 

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For balance, I think it's necessary to refer to the Washington Times article where he tries to debunk the conspiracy theories.
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D.C. power-player tied to Podesta blasts ‘insane’ Reddit sleuthing on sex-trafficking ring
‘I’ve done nothing for days but try to clean this up’

James Alefantis, a Washington, D.C., insider and the owner of a restaurant called Comet Ping Pong, has come under fire after internet sleuths on Reddit and 4Chan accused him of being connected to an alleged sex-trafficking ring. He called the ... more >

View CommentsDouglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Tuesday, November 22, 2016
One of the most influential men in the nation’s capital is livid with Internet sleuths who suspect him of having ties to a sex-trafficking ring.

The New York Times interviewed James Alefantis, the owner of a restaurant called Comet Ping Pong in Washington, on Tuesday to dispel rumors that he is tied to a child-abuse ring. Stolen documents belonging to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, which were made public by WikiLeaks, linked the two men and sparked crowd-sourced research into his life on Reddit and 4Chan.

“From this insane, fabricated conspiracy theory, we’ve come under constant assault,” Mr. Alefantis, 42, told the newspaper. “I’ve done nothing for days but try to clean this up and protect my staff and friends from being terrorized.”

Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter users claim that “PizzaGate” should not be dismissed as a baseless conspiracy theory, given bizarre and sexually suggestive images from Mr. Alefantis’ own Instagram account (now set to private).

YouTube videos taken from inside Comet Ping Pong, the sexual and macabre art commissioned for the restaurant’s promotional material, and the Clinton campaign’s ties to billionaire Jeffrey Epstein and Anthony Weiner have also fueled online calls for an FBI investigation.

Mr. Epstein is a convicted sex-offender and Mr. Weiner is under an active FBI investigation for illicit text messages he sent to a teenager.

Even more text on http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/22/james-alefantis-dc-power-player-blasts-insane-redd/
 

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Posters have expressed concern about the presence of this thread. Personally, although it's a bit weird, I can't see that the topic is any worse than some of the other thoroughly unpleasant things that have popped up over the years, but I have cut back the original quote in order to remove the images. They're still available if one follows the link, but hosting weird pictures of minors (you needn't make the joke)without consent is perhaps unwise.
 

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Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter users claim that “PizzaGate” should not be dismissed as a baseless conspiracy theory, given bizarre and sexually suggestive images from Mr. Alefantis’ own Instagram account (now set to private).

YouTube videos taken from inside Comet Ping Pong, the sexual and macabre art commissioned for the restaurant’s promotional material, and the Clinton campaign’s ties to billionaire Jeffrey Epstein and Anthony Weiner have also fueled online calls for an FBI investigation.

Mr. Epstein is a convicted sex-offender and Mr. Weiner is under an active FBI investigation for illicit text messages he sent to a teenager.
See now, that gives me cause for concern.
 

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Posters have expressed concern about the presence of this thread. Personally, although it's a bit weird, I can't see that the topic is any worse than some of the other thoroughly unpleasant things that have popped up over the years, but I have cut back the original quote in order to remove the images. They're still available if one follows the link, but hosting weird pictures of minors (you needn't make the joke)without consent is perhaps unwise.
I'm fine with that. Considering how much Pizzagate has gathered attention by the far right, only substansiated by weird emails and instagram posts I think it deserves mention in the Conspiracy forums. They claim some of the Podesta emails includes codes for ordering children for abuse among other things.

A summary of what Pizzagate is about is available on https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434956
 

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but the forum shouldn't be a 'safe space'.
Maybe, but if the mods think something is bringing a public facing forum into disrepute, or posting material that reflects badly, then they're entitled to shut it down.
 

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Dr Bates, if you wish to actually discuss the thread (which you can do as it has not been "stopped" in any way) then why not do so?
 

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dr.b - I would think (not trying to second guess the mods) its more to do with not attracting unwelcome attention to the board from several groups of people who aren't board members - the police who may be following up on links to 'suspicious' images, those who want to view such images, etc. Those groups of people won't read the board , they will be using various kinds of bots and such to lead them to places in which they may have an interest.
 

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the forum shouldn't be a 'safe space'.
it isn't, nor are people trying to make it so. Why do you see things in this way I wonder?
 

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Could we please return the conversation to Pizzagate? The reflections on 'safe places' are better suited to the recent thread on Board Moderation.
 

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Again - we're discussing something that is going on in the media - noone is saying its true or false, or making judgements.
I will say it's false. This whole thing hings on the assumption that "pizza" in those emails refers to child sex or child porn. It could be anything, maybe even drugs. Some of the stuff is a bit weird like Podesta's art collection, some of it taken out of context like the photos from comet pizza's Instgram. Most of it is flat out nonsense like spirit cooking which is just performance art. I shouldn't have to say it but here it goes: the Democratic party higher ups are not partaking in cannibalism.
Individual pedos like Epstein in no way mean all the rich people he hung out with are pedos too. We can accept Saville was, but everyone he knew? That's a stretch. Common sense says they would be more likely to act alone than in a huge conspiracy. If it was a huge Conspiracy Epstein should have been making deals and naming names, blackmailing even. Instead he went to prison alone like most pedos.
It's the worst thing to call someone, Reddit shut down the discussion because real innocent people are getting harassed, of course that just means "they" silenced it.
I miss the days of controlled demolitions and Michelle Obama being a man, it's all flat earth and pizzagate now. I make conspiracy videos on youtube but feel like this is too stupid to even talk about..
 

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This is still on-line. Is this faked material or not do we think?
The text you quoted was part of the article on Vigilantecitizen, and is not mine.

The stuff they're referring to is real(email, photos and videos), but does it mean there is a pedo ring in the Democratic party? Not necessarily. I don't like saying "definitely not" when it comes to conspiracy theories. The Pizzagate conspiracy theory will stay popular in the far right camp for the foreseeable future.
 

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The text you quoted was part of the article on Vigilantecitizen, and is not mine.

The stuff they're referring to is real(email, photos and videos), but does it mean there is a pedo ring in the Democratic party? Not necessarily. I don't like saying "definitely not" when it comes to conspiracy theories. The Pizzagate conspiracy theory will stay popular in the far right camp for the foreseeable future.
On the photos alone, I have grave reservations - if the rest is tosh, the taped down child remains and that makes my skin crawl.
 

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On the photos alone, I have grave reservations - if the rest is tosh, the taped down child remains and that makes my skin crawl.
I agree the taped-down child photo certainly looks strange, but since it's masking tape, which will barely stick to anything, it was probably someone's idea of a joke. (Stay put or we'll tape you down... that sort of thing). Now if it were duct tape or anything stronger than masking tape, for that matter, I'd be much more alarmed. Also, the child doesn't seem upset by it, so I don't think it was sinister, more like child-minding of dubious wisdom and humor.

As for the rest, IMO, it's all nonsense, a tale created partly out of someone-who's-related-to-someone has weird taste in art, comments taken out of context and the rest just smells of Brooklyn hipster.

The story is creepy and disturbing, but I don't think that's because it's true. More likely because of the dark side of the people who whipped up such a tale.

For reasons I can't put my finger on, the creation of Slenderman keeps nagging at me. This reminds me of it, somehow
 
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I agree the taped-down child photo certainly looks strange, but since it's masking tape, which will barely stick to anything, it was probably someone's idea of a joke. (Stay put or we'll tape you down... that sort of thing). Now if it were duct tape or anything stronger than masking tape, for that matter, I'd be much more alarmed. Also, the child doesn't seem upset by it, so I don't think it was sinister, more like child-minding of dubious wisdom and humor.
It's so 'not funny', I'm inclined to wonder if the fake story isn't a cover for this rather horrible image. While there is something in what you say, this is not a subject for any kind of a joke - and if someone is asking me to consider it to be a joke, I'm going to be suspicious. If someone taped one of my daughters down 'for a joke' and posted it on the 'net, it's entirely possible they'd never find the body and I'd have been somewhere else, with impeccable witnesses. Just jokin' obviously. Haha.
 
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