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Given her gender and age, maybe she was suspected?
She may well have been suspected by others - and the flip side of that is that she may have felt responsible. Both reasons not to make a big deal.
Given her gender and age, maybe she was suspected?
Just found this little article from the Bournemouth Daily Echo, it says she was 17 rather than 14 like I thought.She may well have been suspected by others - and the flip side of that is that she may have felt responsible. Both reasons not to make a big deal.
The first sign that not all was well in that house at Abbott Road, Winton, was the eerie howling of the family’s pet Labrador.
Living at the house was a window cleaner, his wife, 17-year-old adopted daughter and foster son, eight.
After ornaments and furniture began moving of their own accord, police were called in – only to witness a kitchen cabinet falling to the ground.
They advised that a priest be sent for, but when he sprinkled holy water in the house, it was thrown back in his face.
Eventually, the family was forced to move house.
The unusual twisting of curtains would be evidence of a Vortex, which in turn would suggest the presence of a 'dimensional portal.'(D.P) This is not the same as a 'dimensional bubble,'(D.B). These D.B's tend to sit over a particular area for a period of time. Those that experience Ghostly apparitions normally wander (unknowingly) into these D.B's, though it could be that the D.B formed over those beneath and thereby 'Enchanted' them. This happens when a period of Re-Enchantment is taking place. Re-Enchantment is a process of repair to our own dimension, which has become damaged. If it were not for this repair, then our dimension would descend into Chaos.
The issue of D.P's is different in that they are linked by two locations. Some of the evidence you give would suggest this was the cause of your own experience. Maybe, you just didn't notice the curtains? That would hardly be surprising as the twisting movement is usually quite a gentle process and would suggest the strength of the Vortex. These Vortex's can, I believe, vary in strength. I have no knowledge of how far these D.P's can stretch, but the process is as follows: At one end of the vortex, activity is taking place and that activity is carried along the 'plane' of the vortex and reproduces itself at the other end. This doesn't have to be enchanted activity. In fact, I would suggest that mostly, it is mundane in nature. That is because it could be a reflection of someone else's activity at the other end of the vortex.
This can work both ways. You may drop a book on the floor and someone at the other end hears a sound as if it had happened right next to them, and Vice-versa. This process can be rather hit and miss as the activity between the two portals can react much like an out of tune radio. Briefly, that is the reason why I asked.
Thanks Stuart. That's a very comprehensive proposal. Can I ask - please don't take this the wrong way - is your view based on a philosophical position, or scientific one? Is there any data to suggest your hypothesis? In just curious.
I feel like one of us would probably have noticed twisty curtains but you never know. I'm a little bit wary of circular evidence though (i.e. Of saying 'you probably saw x, because x ought to have been there'). No offence meant, obviously!
That's OK Its a fair question. I am not a scientist and have no scientific grounding. My thoughts are my own and I suppose you could say that they are philosophical. I also call on experience. Dr Leo Ruickbie is an expert on Re-Enchantment. You may be able converse with him on that matter. He is the current editor of the Psychic Review, a quarterly publication of the SPR.
Naughty Felid, Yes, you are correct regarding Dr Ruickies theories. As he is a member of the SPR, then I am assuming that he is interested, if not specializing, in all aspects of Paranormal Activity. I haven't spoken to him on this matter, but assumed that the question of Disenchantment, if accepted, should be able to be expanded upon. Therefore, I admit that I have taken his basic theory and appropriated it to my own theory regarding shifting Dimensions. I do not claim that this is his own viewpoint, but as the general idea chimed with my own thoughts, I assumed that should be OK.Isn't his theories on re-enchantment to do with sociology? Challenging Weber's disenchantment theory that in a modern society spiritual institutions get "disenchanted" or rationalized away? Ruickbie argues that groups such as the Wiccans unhappy with this spiritual gap in their lives attempt to "re-enchant" life.
I see he has done a book on ghost hunting perhaps he talks about poltergeists there? Stuart can you point me somewhere where I can read about the good doctors opinions about re-enchanting our dimension?
Thanks
Naughty Felid, Yes, you are correct regarding Dr Ruickies theories. As he is a member of the SPR, then I am assuming that he is interested, if not specializing, in all aspects of Paranormal Activity. I haven't spoken to him on this matter, but assumed that the question of Disenchantment, if accepted, should be able to be expanded upon. Therefore, I admit that I have taken his basic theory and appropriated it to my own theory regarding shifting Dimensions. I do not claim that this is his own viewpoint, but as the general idea chimed with my own thoughts, I assumed that should be OK.
Isn't his theories on re-enchantment to do with sociology? Challenging Weber's disenchantment theory that in a modern society spiritual institutions get "disenchanted" or rationalized away? Ruickbie argues that groups such as the Wiccans unhappy with this spiritual gap in their lives attempt to "re-enchant" life.
I see he has done a book on ghost hunting perhaps he talks about poltergeists there? Stuart can you point me somewhere where I can read about the good doctors opinions about re-enchanting our dimension?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]I'm going to stick my oar in here - apologies if it's not wanted. I have come across Weber's work on disenchantment in a totally different context and (I think via Freidrich Schiller - does that sound plausible?) have read a tiny bit about re-enchantment. I'm afraid I didn't immediately make the link to your vortex theory Stuart as they seem like quite different fields.
There is potentially something quite interesting here that I haven't come across before. It's leading my on a very speculative train of thought that runs something like this:
Might there be a link between poltergeist activity and a sense of frustrated or undirected meta- or para-physical 'yearning'? Could we hypothesise that, in cultures or subcultures that have experienced something akin to Schiller/Weber's 'disenchantment', there is a human longing for something beyond the physical that - given particular triggers or conditions - might manifest itself in what we call 'poltergeist' activity? For example, in a household with a teenager who is undergoing great personal stress, but who finds herself within a secular (demystified) society that cannot adequately provide an experiential or emotional vocabulary for that pressure. Poltergeists then become some kind of para-physical metaphor for a social condition.
Gah. Apologies. It's been a long day! I think my brain is festering.
[/QUOTE]I'm going to stick my oar in here - apologies if it's not wanted. I have come across Weber's work on disenchantment in a totally different context and (I think via Freidrich Schiller - does that sound plausible?) have read a tiny bit about re-enchantment. I'm afraid I didn't immediately make the link to your vortex theory Stuart as they seem like quite different fields.
There is potentially something quite interesting here that I haven't come across before. It's leading my on a very speculative train of thought that runs something like this:
Might there be a link between poltergeist activity and a sense of frustrated or undirected meta- or para-physical 'yearning'? Could we hypothesise that, in cultures or subcultures that have experienced something akin to Schiller/Weber's 'disenchantment', there is a human longing for something beyond the physical that - given particular triggers or conditions - might manifest itself in what we call 'poltergeist' activity? For example, in a household with a teenager who is undergoing great personal stress, but who finds herself within a secular (demystified) society that cannot adequately provide an experiential or emotional vocabulary for that pressure. Poltergeists then become some kind of para-physical metaphor for a social condition.
Gah. Apologies. It's been a long day! I think my brain is festering.
Possibly one of Northern Ireland’s most famous poltergeist accounts, The Cooneen Poltergeist continues to intrigue, drawing paranormal investigators into the rambling forestry and ramshackle cottage in which it is said to reside. JANET QUINLIVAN tells us why.
"No it's a good point and explains the success of Twilight, Potter, Star Trek, etc, people are speaking klingon and putting their religion as Jedi as established spiritual institutions are considered tarnished, unfashionable and out of touch. It's a post modernist world after all. Or have we moved on from that?
On a slight tangent I wonder if Poltergeist activity is linked in with Mass Hysteria?
There are many similarities, isolated often young, possibly powerless individuals experiencing things that could be considered supernatural but as you say the manifestation may be some sort of unconscious emotional release." - Naughty Felid
The mass hysteria link is a good one! I wonder also about stigmata? Not sure if there are any 'spontaneous' cases (as opposed to self harm) as it's not something I know a lot about, but if it were to happen then I can imagine it being caused by a similar release of emotional pressure.
Although, of course, in that case the phenomena is explicitly given a form by established religious doctrine, which rather blows the disenchantment link out of the water! Unless it's all part of the same thing: limited recourse to other forms of release / articulation.
Maybe this is a bit off topic though.
(sorry - tried to edit to put Naughty Felid's contribution in quotes, but it doesn't seem to format for some reason. I've put it in italics instead to try and make it clear what's going on!)
And arguably this forum and the folk on it (including me)."No it's a good point and explains the success of Twilight, Potter, Star Trek, etc, people are speaking klingon and putting their religion as Jedi as established spiritual institutions are considered tarnished, unfashionable and out of touch. It's a post modernist world after all. Or have we moved on from that?
Rubbish! I can see you are a well liked member.And arguably this forum and the folk on it (including me).
You called?They're he - yah .. come back into the light Stuart this house is clean (I've just done the hoovering)
They're he - yah .. come back into the light Stuart this house is clean (I've just done the hoovering)
And now you're gone. (Sock puppet of a banned member - yes we did twig a little while back, but were frankly interested to see where you'd go with it. No such indulgence of any future attempt at rejoining.)You called?
I am here.
And now you're gone. (Sock puppet of a banned member - yes we did twig a little while back, but were frankly interested to see where you'd go with it. No such indulgence of any future attempt at rejoining.)
Goodbye, Carmilla K.
And now you're gone. (Sock puppet of a banned member - yes we did twig a little while back, but were frankly interested to see where you'd go with it. No such indulgence of any future attempt at rejoining.)
Goodbye, Carmilla K.
The last one, in the office...to me, it looks fake. There's something about it, I can't quite put my finger on it.
"When my colleague David told me about the incident, I have to say that I was sceptical.
The shop-based ones seem to come thick and fast. Am I right in thinking a lot come from earthquake zones?
It's a shame isn't it. Because that's what one really wants the Torquay Museum video to look like (in fairness, it's not soooo bad, whatever falls out does look like it's spraying like a pack of cards a bit. Though you can't tell if they were squashed onto the shelf and built up a bit of springiness).Now this is what I call serious poltergeist activity caught on video.