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Further to my musings about the creation of a Ouija spirit through concentration, could it be a form of mass hysteria that leads people to believe something malevolent has been conjured up? Mass hysteria has physical effects, after all, and certainly seems real to the sufferers no matter if there is something genuine in existence or not.
It's a very localized "mass", but I think so ... If the people involved make the essential transition, crossing over into credulity and taking it seriously, any perturbation or unexpected outcome can set off a panic.
 

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Yes, the same thing that makes people "panic" in isolated rural areas, that heightened suggestibility that has all sorts of primal fears bubbling up. Difficult to do a scientific study on, or not? Or is there one already?
 

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I certainly think there is credibility in the thought that people can create a spirit by thought, which could lead to hysteria.If that was the case, it's still pretty spectacular in itself that we are able to do that.However like any experience it's got to be based on an individual's experience and situation otherwise we could say UFOs are weather balloons and chinese latterns,all Bigfoot sightings are men in suits or walking bears, ghostly knocking is the plumbing. My point is that these things are explanations but there are experiences people have that are real and hard to explain with logic.With out harping on too much about my own experience{which I am doing I apologise!}for the people that were on the board to contact a spirit that must have came from my subconscious is pretty astonishing, as I was the only person in the room who knew of the "spirit" and his story.How does that happen?II'm not on the board or even talking. I am not even thinking of the person who the spirit claims to be. We could have created the whole thing but how? 30 mins on a board and we create a 3 spirits without trying?There is also the fact that I may be exaggerating and people don't believe my account, that's fair enough, I've been there too. There are details I have deliberately left out of the experience, as I don't know if any relatives of the person may read this and identify the story.
 

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I certainly think there is credibility in the thought that people can create a spirit by thought, which could lead to hysteria.If that was the case, it's still pretty spectacular in itself that we are able to do that. ...
Agreed ... Whether or not the spirit is truly an entity independent of the participants versus a mutually-induced imaginative construct, it's remarkable that a small group of people can bring forth a shared focus sufficiently clear to treat as another party - particularly one treated as sufficiently "here and now" to warrant fear.

Related to this point ...

I don't believe such accounts of disturbing amateur encounters with supernatural phenomena are peculiar to using the Ouija board. The same sort of panicked outcomes are associated with other such procedures (e.g., the Bloody Mary / mirror exercise).

My guess is that the strong correlation between such panic incidents and the Ouija board has more to do with the Ouija's providing a convenient means for dabbling with such matters than anything specific to the Ouija board itself. In other words, the Ouija board's notoriety is a result of the Ouija board's common availability and amenability to casual first use.
 

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Agreed ... Whether or not the spirit is truly an entity independent of the participants versus a mutually-induced imaginative construct, it's remarkable that a small group of people can bring forth a shared focus sufficiently clear to treat as another party - particularly one treated as sufficiently "here and now" to warrant fear.

Related to this point ...

I don't believe such accounts of disturbing amateur encounters with supernatural phenomena are peculiar to using the Ouija board. The same sort of panicked outcomes are associated with other such procedures (e.g., the Bloody Mary / mirror exercise).

My guess is that the strong correlation between such panic incidents and the Ouija board has more to do with the Ouija's providing a convenient means for dabbling with such matters than anything specific to the Ouija board itself. In other words, the Ouija board's notoriety is a result of the Ouija board's common availability and amenability to casual first use.
To these points, if it hasn't been posted before. "Bindelof" never existed..
https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Dr-Bindelof-Enigma-Phenomena/dp/1933665130
 

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To these points, if it hasn't been posted before. "Bindelof" never existed..
https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Dr-Bindelof-Enigma-Phenomena/dp/1933665130
As far as I know, the series of Bindelof Phenomena incidents never involved a Ouija board. Automatic writing was involved, but received via other means (pencil and paper left out on the seance table; spelling out a message by calling out the alphabet until the mystery presence indicated a "hit").

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/bindelof-phenomena
 

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As far as I know, the series of Bindelof Phenomena incidents never involved a Ouija board. Automatic writing was involved, but received via other means (pencil and paper left out on the seance table; spelling out a message by calling out the alphabet until the mystery presence indicated a "hit").

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/bindelof-phenomena
Right, no Ouija board involved, but still possibly a "mutually-induced imaginative construct ", although capable of generating paranormal phenomena according to the participants.
 

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It has amused me for quite some while that the Russian word for tablet (as in iPad, not aspirin) is планшет (planshet). Following this to its illogical conclusion, if this thread is to be believed, all the words I can see on my tablet screen must be either the product of my subconscious or the work of malevolent spirits... :hyper:
Wonderful! Thanks for telling us this, Krepostnoi. There's got to be a nice paranormal/sci-fi story brewing in there somewhere. :D
 

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There is still a misunderstanding to my reluctance to be anywhere near an Ouija board. I have no clue whether it channels the sprint world, or even if there is a spirit world. But on a purely local basis it, like certain drugs, seems to have an ability to permanently affect those who fool about with it. Perhaps psychiatrists should study it.

But not knowing exactly why something is dangerous is not a good reason to suggest it isn't dangerous. If our primitive ancestors worked on that basis they'd never have survived long enough to be our ancestors.
 

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I have no clue whether it channels the sprint world
I would never keep up! :exercise:

Meanwhile, anyone mining the first page of this thread* may find some links long-dead.

I can help with the strange case of Victor Hugo's table-turning and the "posthumous Shakespeare play."

Last section on this page.

*escargot, ever a good miner, liked it today!

I may look for the full transcript of that mad play, when I get a moment. It should be in the Public Domain, Shakespeare, Hugo or whatever!
 

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There is still a misunderstanding to my reluctance to be anywhere near an Ouija board. I have no clue whether it channels the sprint world, or even if there is a spirit world.
Ouija boards, don't channel spirits, plz read this article: How Ouija Boards Work

But on a purely local basis it, like certain drugs, seems to have an ability to permanently affect those who fool about with it.
You are making a misattribution error, unfortunately, like many senior citizens who think that drugs turn you into some sort of slobbering homicidal maniac. For example, a great many schizophrenics self-medicate with heroin, and so some people misattribute heroin as driving people crazy. The drugs are just a symptom. So too when a gullible loon plays with their ouija board and then uses that as an excuse to fully express their inner fruitloop.

Perhaps psychiatrists should study it.
Psychiatrists are involved in administering drugs more than other forms of therapy. This is a job for psych studies, and lo and behold, yes, they have investigated ouija boards. Again, please read the article above.

But not knowing exactly why something is dangerous is not a good reason to suggest it isn't dangerous. If our primitive ancestors worked on that basis they'd never have survived long enough to be our ancestors.
Caution is often a good idea, but please remember that many of our ancestors were basically like this person: LINK
 

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Ouija boards, don't channel spirits, plz read this article: How Ouija Boards Work

You are making a misattribution error, unfortunately, like many senior citizens who think that drugs turn you into some sort of slobbering homicidal maniac. For example, a great many schizophrenics self-medicate with heroin, and so some people misattribute heroin as driving people crazy. The drugs are just a symptom. So too when a gullible loon plays with their ouija board and then uses that as an excuse to fully express their inner fruitloop.


Psychiatrists are involved in administering drugs more than other forms of therapy. This is a job for psych studies, and lo and behold, yes, they have investigated ouija boards. Again, please read the article above.


Caution is often a good idea, but please remember that many of our ancestors were basically like this person: LINK
Well, that's us told.
 

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Ouija boards, don't channel spirits, plz read this article: How Ouija Boards Work

You are making a misattribution error, unfortunately, like many senior citizens who think that drugs turn you into some sort of slobbering homicidal maniac. For example, a great many schizophrenics self-medicate with heroin, and so some people misattribute heroin as driving people crazy. The drugs are just a symptom. So too when a gullible loon plays with their ouija board and then uses that as an excuse to fully express their inner fruitloop.


Psychiatrists are involved in administering drugs more than other forms of therapy. This is a job for psych studies, and lo and behold, yes, they have investigated ouija boards. Again, please read the article above.


Caution is often a good idea, but please remember that many of our ancestors were basically like this person: LINK
I should point out the I did a fair amount of drugs back in the day, and they didn't turn me in to a slobbering homicidal maniac. But I've also seen the effects of prolonged excessive usage on people who started out with no (diagnosed) mental illness and they are at least as bad as similar behaviour with alcohol. I still do alcohol - the one vice I still have, but I don't do drugs any more.

If something does harm, does it matter exactly why? Do you recommend some sort of test to see if one is a gullible loon (e.g. a typical teenager) before using a Ouija board?
 

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I should point out the I did a fair amount of drugs back in the day, and they didn't turn me in to a slobbering homicidal maniac. But I've also seen the effects of prolonged excessive usage on people who started out with no (diagnosed) mental illness and they are at least as bad as similar behaviour with alcohol. I still do alcohol - the one vice I still have, but I don't do drugs any more.

If something does harm, does it matter exactly why? Do you recommend some sort of test to see if one is a gullible loon (e.g. a typical teenager) before using a Ouija board?
I'd avoid a Ouija Board too, Cochise and for similar reasons that I can't quite articulate. You could call it "superstition" but just as easily "phobia".

From what I understand, people who develop long standing psychological issues after using drugs, including booze, may very well already have had underlying issues, whether genetic, or trauma related, or both. Though I don't believe there's a "one size fits all" answer.
 

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I may look for the full transcript of that mad play, when I get a moment. It should be in the Public Domain, Shakespeare, Hugo or whatever!
I see we already had a short thread here with some additional stuff in it. Aliens were also involved!

I have not found the complete play online but have an inkling that I once downloaded it. My own archives are, of course, much larger than the Internet and do not have the benefits - or drawbacks - of Google*

I have found out that the table-turning transcripts were published in Vol.IX of the Complete Hugo, dating from 1968. That would, of course, be in French.

*Despite which, I have found this complete English version. For various reasons, I won't post it here. If anyone is interested, PM me. :cooll:

Meanwhile, here is a 2002 channelled message from Victor Hugo!
 
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Oh, geez, it's from Santa Cruz, California. I love Santa Cruz as I remember it, but there have been many "inner fruitloops" that externalized there. (Do you have an innie or an outie?)

Here's an article by a psychologist describing instances of the inner fruitloop, er, previously buried susceptibilities, which playing with Ouija boards has brought to the surface: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...8/can-ouija-boards-trigger-demonic-possession
In this article, people "with a history of anxiety disorders, dissociative or trance states, and who have an absolute certainty in the existence of the supernatural" are warned away from fooling around with Ouija boards. Probably people with really vivid imaginations and an overabundance of empathy should steer clear too!
 

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I'd avoid a Ouija Board too, Cochise and for similar reasons that I can't quite articulate. You could call it "superstition" but just as easily "phobia". From what I understand, people who develop long standing psychological issues after using drugs, including booze, may very well already have had underlying issues, whether genetic, or trauma related, or both. Though I don't believe there's a "one size fits all" answer.
Seriously, the ideomotor effect is nothing to be scared of. I totally agree with your "one size fits all" comment btw. I don't think anyone would be surprised to discover that many people with a history of addiction have a related and untreated mental health issue, but not all, as you correctly point out Ogdred.
I should point out the I did a fair amount of drugs back in the day, and they didn't turn me in to a slobbering homicidal maniac. But I've also seen the effects of prolonged excessive usage on people who started out with no (diagnosed) mental illness and they are at least as bad as similar behaviour with alcohol. I still do alcohol - the one vice I still have, but I don't do drugs any more.
There is a difference between a person who uses drugs or alcohol casually in a social setting, and someone who has slid into chemical dependency, and someone who needs to blot out their consciousness periodically in order to cope with their life. In short, there is a spectrum of use and abuse. Alchoholics Anonymous and similar orgs deals with a lot of people who have unresolved mental health issues. I dare say you won't be surprised. I bet you also wouldn't be surprised that most of them have assiduously avoided getting mental health support either because they can't afford it, or because they don't want the stigma associated with getting help.
If something does harm, does it matter exactly why? Do you recommend some sort of test to see if one is a gullible loon (e.g. a typical teenager) before using a Ouija board?
I'd say that the number of times you have been baptized may be a factor. A family history of schizophrenia may also be an issue. I could write more, but let's leave it at that.
Oh, geez, it's from Santa Cruz, California. I love Santa Cruz as I remember it, but there have been many "inner fruitloops" that externalized there. (Do you have an innie or an outie?)
I encourage the externalization of one's inner fruitloop in a friendly environment. Nothing is as bad as an inner fruitloop that doesn't get an occasional airing. You really don't want them going mouldy and repressed.
Here's an article by a psychologist describing instances of the inner fruitloop, er, previously buried susceptibilities, which playing with Ouija boards has brought to the surface: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...8/can-ouija-boards-trigger-demonic-possession In this article, people "with a history of anxiety disorders, dissociative or trance states, and who have an absolute certainty in the existence of the supernatural" are warned away from fooling around with Ouija boards. Probably people with really vivid imaginations and an overabundance of empathy should steer clear too!
Ahh, the power of belief. Isn't it wonderful to read about the bad side of the placebo effect?

The Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear:
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

― Frank Herbert, Dune
 
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Apologies if this has been done before - mods please feel free to move or delete.

I‘m pretty new to this forum, so forgive me if I have missed previous threads on this subject.

I am sceptical about ouija boards (or table-tipping, automatic writing etc) so I was wondering if any of you have had an experience that has utterly convinced you that you were communicating with something.
Did you get a ‘message’ that was in your opinion absolute proof (to you) that these boards are a way of speaking to entities.

Thank you in advance!
 

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Apologies if this has been done before - mods please feel free to move or delete.

I‘m pretty new to this forum, so forgive me if I have missed previous threads on this subject.

I am sceptical about ouija boards (or table-tipping, automatic writing etc) so I was wondering if any of you have had an experience that has utterly convinced you that you were communicating with something.
Did you get a ‘message’ that was in your opinion absolute proof (to you) that these boards are a way of speaking to entities.

Thank you in advance!
We have abundant threads and posts on this subject. Have a browse! Treat scare yourself!
 

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A few years ago i reported on here my experience of attending one of those ghost hunt/vigil events in an old police bridewell, now a bar. Part of the evening involved the attendees using the ouija board. Here's a copy and paste of what I recounted about that part...

After a brief break we returned to do a ouija session in the cell. I was one of those with my finger on the pointer and had no doubt at all that the girl opposite me was directing its movements, whether deliberately or not, as her lower knuckle was bent in with pressure and her arm was moving from the shoulder. The tale told when she had her finger on the dial was both dramatic and comical. It was a child naturally, an 8 year oldRobert Quinn hanged in the cell by a policeman, after being in jail himself for the murder of his 23 year old brother, on account of the latter committing rape (possibly of their mother) Some of the women were sighing with the great sadness and tragedy of this awful tale. I was biting my lip. The noose/nose account began this tale, but she (our alleged planchette pusher) also had a confused sense of history, giving the date of our events as 1..6...2... Confused by how the ghost could possibly have been incarcerated hundreds of years before the place existed a solution presented itself to the others to stop it needing to complete the date..1862! they called out. Phew. When the participants were swapped around the planchette interestingly still moved but spelled out nothing but gibberish, letters which bore no connection to each other.

(The noose/nose account referred to went like this... Asked "how were you murdered?" the planchette spelled out "N..O...S.." and the girl referenced above declared "noose!". I pointed out it was the begining of nose, not noose...)

This doesn't tell you about the validity of anyone else's experiences of course..youtube is full of videos of people recounting their trauma after using the board. I don't think everyone is lying or imagining it. But I saw nothing to scare me when i had a go.
 
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