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While this may seem strange, even odd to western beliefs, 'we' do plenty of things that they find abhorrent and in any case, far from demeaning women, it's actually the opposite- it's done out of respect for women.

Same goes for women only train compartments (used in Muslim countries).
Women prefer to travel this way as they feel safer.
Perhaps the males could try not behaving in such a way as to make women prefer separate train cars for their safety... that would seem to be a lot more respectful of women.

/ I am reminded of a Penn Jillette quote
 
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Perhaps the males could try not behaving in such a way as to make women prefer separate train cars for their safety... that would seem to be a lot more respectful of women.

/ I am reminded of a Penn Jillette quote
Sorry kamalktk I don't have control over the male population.

In any case, you're still missing the point (as most westerners do).
 
Sorry kamalktk I don't have control over the male population.

In any case, you're still missing the point (as most westerners do).
Not missing the point, I've lived and travelled in countries like that, been a Muslim for pretty much my entire adult life, was converted to Islam by a Pakistani woman (she gave me my copy of the Quran, which I still have nearly 30 years later), and did my conversion ceremony surrounded by 100 or so Iranian clerics, who were in the country to visit a Saudi built mosque used by migrant workers from numerous countries. I was the only westerner there.

When someone says woman have to travel separately for their own protection, you have to ask, "protection from what", and when you say the women prefer to travel that way in order to feel safer, you have to ask "safer from what".
 
Not missing the point, I've lived and travelled in countries like that, been a Muslim for pretty much my entire adult life, was converted to Islam by a Pakistani woman (she gave me my copy of the Quran, which I still have nearly 30 years later), and did my conversion ceremony surrounded by 100 or so Iranian clerics, who were in the country to visit a Saudi built mosque used by migrant workers from numerous countries. I was the only westerner there.

When someone says woman have to travel separately for their own protection, you have to ask, "protection from what", and when you say the women prefer to travel that way in order to feel safer, you have to ask "safer from what".
Well, we know from what. Unwanted attention.

As I say, believe it or not, I cannot control the 'urges' that some males unfortunately have. Just as I cannot stop people being murdered, or cancer, or car accidents.

So, what is the best way to alleviate these concerns as best we can (seeing as they don't look like they're going to go away anytime soon)?
Giving up smoking won't stop all cancers, seatbelts won't save all lives - but it's a start.

Perhaps then, until such crimes are banished forever -in the meantime make it as safe as we possibly can for women travellers?
 
Looking back through some of the earlier posts here, it seems that there was/is a lot of derogatory comments regarding Orthodox Jews and their particular behaviours for eg not wanting to sit next to a woman on a plane or train.

While this may seem strange, even odd to western beliefs, 'we' do plenty of things that they find abhorrent and in any case, far from demeaning women, it's actually the opposite- it's done out of respect for women.

Same goes for women only train compartments (used in Muslim countries).
Women prefer to travel this way as they feel safer.

As for not using electricity, public transport or driving a car et al on the Sabbath, again this may seem ridiculous to some, and 'going back to the dark ages' but it's a way to connect with God - (just like fasting at Ramadan, or Lent for that matter) except it's done once a week.

I myself have considered not going to any shops on Saturday or Sunday, just to try to be more temperate instead of having everything available 24/7/365.
Leaving aside the issue of female safety, it's no business of mine what others choose to believe, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on those with different views - which, sadly, quite a lot of fundamentalists from several religions attempt to do.
 
It used to be that most shops in a locality closed on the same day. Now it seems more random. Most shops here are open Monday to Saturday but a few stay closed on Monday or close for one day during the week. It tends to be the small shops operated by one person.
Somebody did say that coming to Hythe was like stepping back in time, half in jest (I think).
 
It used to be that most shops in a locality closed on the same day. Now it seems more random. Most shops here are open Monday to Saturday but a few stay closed on Monday or close for one day during the week. It tends to be the small shops operated by one person.
Somebody did say that coming to Hythe was like stepping back in time, half in jest (I think).
I think a few hairdressers here shut on a Monday, but that's about it nowadays.
 
Something I didn't know: Haredi Jews are exempt from military service in Israel, due to their religious vows making them by definition conscientious objectors. AFAIK, no Haredi Jews were killed in the 7/10 pogrom, as a music festival and the secular kibbutzim are places the Haredi are very unlikely to be. Notwithstanding their strong anti-war views though, some 120 Haredi Jews broke with tradition and, in the wake of the 7/10 pogrom, volunteered for action with the IDF:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ews-wrestle-with-whether-to-serve-in-gaza-war
 
Something I didn't know: Haredi Jews are exempt from military service in Israel, due to their religious vows making them by definition conscientious objectors. AFAIK, no Haredi Jews were killed in the 7/10 pogrom, as a music festival and the secular kibbutzim are places the Haredi are very unlikely to be. Notwithstanding their strong anti-war views though, some 120 Haredi Jews broke with tradition and, in the wake of the 7/10 pogrom, volunteered for action with the IDF:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ews-wrestle-with-whether-to-serve-in-gaza-war
Them not having to do national service causes anger from some of the populace and has done for many, many years.
Most of the orthodox Jews don't work, as their job is to study the Torah.

A few do go into the army though (as do some Israeli Arabs as well). In both these cases it sometimes causes animosity from members of their families though.

As you have seen in my photo above of the two Israeli girls at the beach while doing their national service, even the women have to serve.
 
Something I didn't know: Haredi Jews are exempt from military service in Israel, due to their religious vows making them by definition conscientious objectors. AFAIK, no Haredi Jews were killed in the 7/10 pogrom, as a music festival and the secular kibbutzim are places the Haredi are very unlikely to be. Notwithstanding their strong anti-war views though, some 120 Haredi Jews broke with tradition and, in the wake of the 7/10 pogrom, volunteered for action with the IDF:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ews-wrestle-with-whether-to-serve-in-gaza-war
Also, it's worth noting that some Orthodox groups like Neturie Karta and Satmar Hasidim, do not recognise the state of Israel.
 
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