Alien Big Cats ('ABCs')

[Kondoru]

Ok, getting back to the ABCs...what we obviously need is a trained cat hound.

 

[Druk]

Huge!

And there’s people,big cat experts,who tell us there’s a population of 500 mountain lion in the UK.

 

[Mythopoeika]

And there’s people,big cat experts,who tell us there’s a population of 500 mountain lion in the UK.

They're very good at hiding.

 

[Druk]

Ok, getting back to the ABCs...what we obviously need is a trained cat hound.

There was a Brit guy did it,years ago,he was in the newspapers,imported a couple of hounds with the intention of finding the beast of Bodmin or whatever cat he intended to hunt,never heard another thing about him.

They're very good at hiding.

Super good,there’s no genuine photos

 

[Druk]

Vainglorious cave paintings,images of the hunt,man being man.

 

[ramonmercado]

Same as an angler in a British angling magazine on the front cover holding a huge cod?Same as cave paintings showing animals with spears in them?Man needs to record.

Are dead cougars regularly eaten? If they taste good then it's a pity that the meat goes to waste.

 

[Druk]

Are dead cougars regularly eaten? If they taste good then it's a pity that the meat goes to waste.

Yes they are eaten,supposed to taste like pork.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

And there’s people,big cat experts,who tell us there’s a population of 500 mountain lion in the UK.

94,000 square miles of Britain means one for every 188 square miles. Only 6% of the Britain is urban:

"Research by the University of Sheffield suggests that “less than 6% of the UK is urban”, using data from 2012."

https://fullfact.org/economy/has-92-country-not-been-built/

There are an estimated 2 million deer in Britain, so 4,000 for every big cat:

https://wilderness-society.org/predator-problem-britains-burgeoning-deer-population/

Large areas of Britain rarely see a human as much is private land and also we stick to roads, paths and designated county parks etc. Take a look at Northumberland on a map:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumberland

Sparsely populated and dominated by moorland.

That said, I still believe the big black and muscular cats are paranormal whereas the sightings of lynx and tawny coloured cats are escapees and releasees that may have had some limited breeding success.

 

[Druk]

Yup one fictional mountain lion for every 188 square miles.Unless there’s genuine proof beyond positive doubt then they don’t exist outside of peoples imaginations.

 

[Steven]

This is a half-baked, near-idea but I wonder if there's something important about movement? I can't explain this well and it may not have any worth besides but here goes:

* We have clichéd ideas about the way big cats move. Perhaps akin to Simon's point about the paranormal: maybe what some witnesses see is actually the mind's eye vision of a big cat, and not whatever reality it might have?

* Some lake monsters witnesses, I've read, were disturbed to the point of crying by the alleged creatures' movements. There are obvious reasons for such disturbance (e.g. a physical repulsion at the sinewy, snake-like progress; a sight outside of one's experience that leaves witnesses fearful even if they're safe from harm; the sobering, mind-blowing forced-reality that monsters actually exist etc etc). But what if even reality is a kind of vision and even apparently living, breathing extraordinary creatures only exist in the mind? Are they actually 'symbols', merely representations of human concepts? Something made in the mind...maybe the imagined movements are like self-hypnosis?

Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge to discuss Jung's archetypes and so on, so my ideas are unsophisticated and half-formed. The whole phenomenon is tantalising though, with the hint of a deeper meaning perhaps. Then again, for some reason I view all too many aspects of life as metaphoric or symbolic; it's not really a helpful habit.

 

[Tunn11]

This is a half-baked, near-idea but I wonder if there's something important about movement? I can't explain this well and it may not have any worth besides but here goes:

* We have clichéd ideas about the way big cats move. Perhaps akin to Simon's point about the paranormal: maybe what some witnesses see is actually the mind's eye vision of a big cat, and not whatever reality it might have?

* Some lake monsters witnesses, I've read, were disturbed to the point of crying by the alleged creatures' movements. There are obvious reasons for such disturbance (e.g. a physical repulsion at the sinewy, snake-like progress; a sight outside of one's experience that leaves witnesses fearful even if they're safe from harm; the sobering, mind-blowing forced-reality that monsters actually exist etc etc). But what if even reality is a kind of vision and even apparently living, breathing extraordinary creatures only exist in the mind? Are they actually 'symbols', merely representations of human concepts? Something made in the mind...maybe the imagined movements are like self-hypnosis?

Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge to discuss Jung's archetypes and so on, so my ideas are unsophisticated and half-formed. The whole phenomenon is tantalising though, with the hint of a deeper meaning perhaps. Then again, for some reason I view all too many aspects of life as metaphoric or symbolic; it's not really a helpful habit.

Would certainly answer @catseye 's point about the muscular build. It always struck me as odd that especially land sightings of lake monsters seem to provoke the repulsion response - people aren't generally repulsed by seals, sea lions, etc. out of water or even Clarius type catfish moving over land.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

This is a half-baked, near-idea but I wonder if there's something important about movement? I can't explain this well and it may not have any worth besides but here goes:

* We have clichéd ideas about the way big cats move. Perhaps akin to Simon's point about the paranormal: maybe what some witnesses see is actually the mind's eye vision of a big cat, and not whatever reality it might have?

* Some lake monsters witnesses, I've read, were disturbed to the point of crying by the alleged creatures' movements. There are obvious reasons for such disturbance (e.g. a physical repulsion at the sinewy, snake-like progress; a sight outside of one's experience that leaves witnesses fearful even if they're safe from harm; the sobering, mind-blowing forced-reality that monsters actually exist etc etc). But what if even reality is a kind of vision and even apparently living, breathing extraordinary creatures only exist in the mind? Are they actually 'symbols', merely representations of human concepts? Something made in the mind...maybe the imagined movements are like self-hypnosis?

Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge to discuss Jung's archetypes and so on, so my ideas are unsophisticated and half-formed. The whole phenomenon is tantalising though, with the hint of a deeper meaning perhaps. Then again, for some reason I view all too many aspects of life as metaphoric or symbolic; it's not really a helpful habit.

A great point to raise, however as ever I would argue that multiple witness accounts defy the idea these 'monsters' only exist in the mind. That said, people do find parasites repulsive (eg threadworms and tapeworms) so are these 'monsters' parasites feeding off the human psyche? Thus, they manifest in ways that create repulsion and fear? What I mean by this is I believe there ia an external intelligent 'Other' that has interacted with humanity for aeons but it cares not a jot for the well-being of us humans but rather we are a source of energy.

 

[Druk]

First confirmed black leopard roadkill in the UK (apparently).

 

[kesavaross]

Yup one fictional mountain lion for every 188 square miles.Unless there’s genuine proof beyond positive doubt then they don’t exist outside of peoples imaginations.

Stating that something doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven to exist is a failure of logic. Whether or not ABC's factually exist or not, who knows, but there is some, and I stress the 'some', evidence they do.

edit: Only just seen the video above.

 

[Druk]

Stating that something doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven to exist is a failure of logic. Whether or not ABC's factually exist or not, who knows, but there is some, and I stress the 'some', evidence they do.

edit: Only just seen the video above.

Then I have a failure of logic,it’s no big deal.But “evidence” is different from irrefutable proof.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

First confirmed black leopard roadkill in the UK (apparently).

Going by the size of the road markings, the aggregate/ballast and the grass that is just a large black domestic tom cat, we used to have one that size. No way is it a leopard.

It may also be a Kellas cat, which is a hybrid Scottish wildcat (known to exist) and domestic cat (like the one on your sofa). Nothing mysterious about them, in fact they are bad news for the Scottish wildcat population:

http://scotcats.online.fr/abc/identification/kellascataron.html

Look at the feet, they are tiny compared to a leopard's:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/336855247120949695/

 

[Druk]

Put it this way,here’s two books,one is mammals of Canada,animals that are found here,proof they exist here.The other is mammals of the UK,if you can’t find proof,if there’s no crystal clear pics,in decades of an animal supposedly living on a small heavily populated island especially with todays technology………..

 

[Druk]

Going by the size of the road markings, the aggregate/ballast and the grass that is just a large black domestic tom cat, we used to have one that size. No way is it a leopard.

It may also be a Kellas cat, which is a hybrid Scottish wildcat (known to exist) and domestic cat (like the one on your sofa). Nothing mysterious about them, in fact they are bad news for the Scottish wildcat population:

http://scotcats.online.fr/abc/identification/kellascataron.html

Look at the feet, they are tiny compared to a leopard's:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/336855247120949695/

Big cat podcasts with over 100 episodes running over several years showed this as a malnourished 6-7 month old leopard cub,ridiculous.

 

[catseye]

It's a cat. Have people gone so ABC mad that they are 'seeing' ABCs when it's just an ordinary cat? A bit like when there is a UFO flap people start identifying everything they see in the sky as a UFO, from the moon to aircraft lights.

 

[Druk]

It's a cat. Have people gone so ABC mad that they are 'seeing' ABCs when it's just an ordinary cat? A bit like when there is a UFO flap people start identifying everything they see in the sky as a UFO, from the moon to aircraft lights.

The guy who suggested and portrayed it as a malnourished leopard cub hosts the podcast,has appeared on TV as a UK big cat expert,has a big cat roadshow stall at summer shows and has written a book on uk big cats,I think he has skin in the game

 

[kesavaross]

That said, I still believe the big black and muscular cats are paranormal whereas the sightings of lynx and tawny coloured cats are escapees and releasees that may have had some limited breeding success.

I've been thinking about this. Why do you believe the big black and muscular cats to be paranormal? Thanks.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

I've been thinking about this. Why do you believe the big black and muscular cats to be paranormal? Thanks.

It was the conclusion big cat researcher Merriliy Harper reached before I did. These black cats never leave any evidence and yet have been sighted by reputable witnesses. They are also seen at paranormal hotspots and in connection with strange light activity. In this sense they seem to be more akin to the black hounds of folklore (eg Black Shuck) than actual big cats that are rarely melanistic

 

[brownmane]

They are also seen at paranormal hotspots and in connection with strange light activity. In this sense they seem to be more akin to the black hounds of folklore (eg Black Shuck) than actual big cats that are rarely melanistic

I like this idea better than a real melanistic ABC. I would accept this explanation more so because living in a country which does have big cats, I have never heard claims of people seeing melanistic big cats.

Melanistic big cats exist, but not in the numbers that would be required for people to see them regularly as seemingly being reported in UK.

 

[brownmane]

First confirmed black leopard roadkill in the UK (apparently).

At least it shows measurements. Oops wrong. I thought I saw a tape measure, but when I watched again, it is only a line drawing. The easiest measurement for scale would have been him standing next to it, but he doesn't do this. We all know that if this was a real find, he would have had himself in the shot, for posterity. Big cat - no.

From wiki: The leopard (Panthera pardus) is one of the five extant species in the genus Panthera. It has a pale yellowish to dark golden fur with dark spots grouped in rosettes. Its body is slender and muscular reaching a length of 92–183 cm (36–72 in) with a 66–102 cm (26–40 in) long tail and a shoulder height of 60–70 cm (24–28 in). Males typically weigh 30.9–72 kg (68–159 lb), and females 20.5–43 kg (45–95 lb).

 

[kesavaross]

Then I have a failure of logic,it’s no big deal.But “evidence” is different from irrefutable proof.

I'm starting to think you have a point. I spent most of today on and off looking at various video clips and read loads of articles and there is not one bit of solid irrefutable proof.

 

[kesavaross]

It was the conclusion big cat researcher Merriliy Harper reached before I did. These black cats never leave any evidence and yet have been sighted by reputable witnesses. They are also seen at paranormal hotspots and in connection with strange light activity. In this sense they seem to be more akin to the black hounds of folklore (eg Black Shuck) than actual big cats that are rarely melanistic

That's very interesting. It makes more sense to me than actual physical melanistic ABC's.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

That's very interesting. It makes more sense to me than actual physical melanistic ABC's.

An article about the hunt for the 'Beast of Exmoor' back in the 1980s. The location would have been along the old railway between Barnstaple and Taunton, probably near East Anstey.

This is interesting as no body was found and I'm not sure what he meant by "the whole valley seemed to light up". Holden was a Royal Marine and Lay the farmer who lost over 100 sheep:

"Mr Holden said the group set up an observation post overlooking a lonely valley, criss-crossed by a disused railway and a river."

"Holden said: 'All I could hear [the instructor] sayin was, "I can see something". He let rip with his rifle and the whole valley seemed to light up.'

The troupe felt sure they had caught the animal, although no body was ever found. For a few years afterwards, the farmers of Devon enjoyed a period of relative peace.

Mr Lay said: 'From that moment on, I never had anymore problems.'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-sightings-reports-far-Henry-VIIIs-reign.html

It is possible he meant all the other Royal marines started firing but unlikely as this was farmland and not a military range and they were using sniper rifles specifically to avoid injury to humans or farm animals, so was something paranormal afoot...?

I can't at the moment find out how many Marines were deployed but it is a true story and photos were taken as above.

 

[Druk]

I'm starting to think you have a point. I spent most of today on and off looking at various video clips and read loads of articles and there is not one bit of solid irrefutable proof.

There isn’t,I have been interested in UK ABC’s for years BUT there’s not one single scrap of genuine proof there’s a breeding population of mountain lions or leopards in the UK,there isn’t even proof there’s a small population of escapees.As for the “British big cat experts”…….Pftttttt

 

[Druk]

An article about the hunt for the 'Beast of Exmoor' back in the 1980s. The location would have been along the old railway between Barnstaple and Taunton, probably near East Anstey.

This is interesting as no body was found and I'm not sure what he meant by "the whole valley seemed to light up". Holden was a Royal Marine and Lay the farmer who lost over 100 sheep:

"Mr Holden said the group set up an observation post overlooking a lonely valley, criss-crossed by a disused railway and a river."

"Holden said: 'All I could hear [the instructor] sayin was, "I can see something". He let rip with his rifle and the whole valley seemed to light up.'

The troupe felt sure they had caught the animal, although no body was ever found. For a few years afterwards, the farmers of Devon enjoyed a period of relative peace.

Mr Lay said: 'From that moment on, I never had anymore problems.'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-sightings-reports-far-Henry-VIIIs-reign.html

It is possible he meant all the other Royal marines started firing but unlikely as this was farmland and not a military range and they were using sniper rifles specifically to avoid injury to humans or farm animals, so was something paranormal afoot...?

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I can't at the moment find out how many Marines were deployed but it is a true story and photos were taken as above.

Rumour has it the marines shot no big cat but did shoot several stray dogs,the sheep attacks ceased,it’s easy to draw the dots.

 

[Druk]

There’s so many big cats wandering the UK countryside this “British big cat” group fly-posted woodlands desperate for sightings and reports