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Alien Big Cats ('ABCs')

In your opinion what are alien big cats most likely to be?

  • Escapees from collections, breeding in the UK countryside

    Votes: 57 48.3%

  • A species of endemic British big cat somehow overlooked by science

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zooform Phenomena - animal-shaped manifestations of paranormal activity

    Votes: 6 5.1%

  • Misidentifications of big dogs, normal cats etc

    Votes: 28 23.7%

  • A big hoax

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Summat else

    Votes: 4 3.4%

  • All of the above

    Votes: 23 19.5%
  • Total voters
    118
Druk said:
Melanistic mountain lion?
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No such thing. (I'll quote Shuker who is right, here.) https://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Also, no mountain lions in PA, no matter what people claim. If there is a rare wandering individual (because I'm sure someone is going to pull up the Connecticut incident), they would be far too rare and likely have actual evidence associated with it. I believe the above incident was likely a large domestic cat. Stan is a great guy but he takes the witness at their word, which is problematic.
 
Sharon Hill said:
No such thing. (I'll quote Shuker who is right, here.) https://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Also, no mountain lions in PA, no matter what people claim. If there is a rare wandering individual (because I'm sure someone is going to pull up the Connecticut incident), they would be far too rare and likely have actual evidence associated with it. I believe the above incident was likely a large domestic cat. Stan is a great guy but he takes the witness at their word, which is problematic.
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Just read there’s never been a melanistic documented,doesn’t mean there hasn’t been one,whites have been photographed however.
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Druk said:
Just read there’s never been a melanistic documented,doesn’t mean there hasn’t been one,whites have been photographed however.View attachment 73112
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Leucism and melanism (and also albinism) have different genetic causes. Since we have never seen melanism documented in pumas, it may not be "possible".

Melanism does occur with bobcats, though.

It's not reasonable to reach so far beyond what we know (to speculate on a melanistic cougar) when people regularly mistake normal domestic black cats for something they are not.
 
Sharon Hill said:
Leucism and melanism (and also albinism) have different genetic causes. Since we have never seen melanism documented in pumas, it may not be "possible".

Melanism does occur with bobcats, though.

It's not reasonable to reach so far beyond what we know (to speculate on a melanistic cougar) when people regularly mistake normal domestic black cats for something they are not.
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I know melanism occurs in bobcats, never say never with mountain lion, that's nature's job not man's.
 
Sharon Hill said:
:huh:No one said "never" and no one is saying man is genetically engineering pumas.
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No one mentioned genetic engineering,I said to say they don't exist is nature's job not mans or women's in your case after you said they don't exist (still on topic).
 
Sharon Hill said:
No such thing. (I'll quote Shuker who is right, here.) https://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Also, no mountain lions in PA, no matter what people claim. If there is a rare wandering individual (because I'm sure someone is going to pull up the Connecticut incident), they would be far too rare and likely have actual evidence associated with it. I believe the above incident was likely a large domestic cat. Stan is a great guy but he takes the witness at their word, which is problematic.
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Great article. Very interesting.
 
RaM said:
Not sure if this belongs here, they are talking of re introducing the Woodcat now better known as
the Scottish Wildcat into Devon.



https://www.itv.com/news/westcountr...eturn-to-south-west-after-more-than-100-years
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Jon Downes of the CFZ* (based in Devon) states that he received reports of wildcats still living on Exmoor well into the 20th Century (@lordmongrove may know more about this).

Downes also received reports of supposedly extinct pine martens at a round the same time and was this was subsequently proven to be correct:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...corded-in-west-country-by-night-vision-camera

* The Centre for Fortean Zoology (CFZ) is a professional and scientific organisation dedicated to cryptozoology: The study of unknown animals and allied disciplines​

https://cfz.org.uk
 
The Biome Project have produced two excellent British Big Cat documentaries, the first one has been linked to before:


Their initial, shorter documentary that contains material not in the one above:


Excellent interviews with a Puma expert from the US who has watched the 'Chasing Shadows' documentary (first one):


and:


Finally, researcher and author Merrily Harper presents the 'Supernatural Theory':

 
In The Grauniad today:

"‘Beast of Cumbria’: claimed leopard sighting fails to convince experts​

Research from the Royal Agricultural University suggests possible big cat presence in the UK, but others say evidence is flimsy"

"For the last nine years, he’s been carrying out research in the field. He said: “Here at the RAU, we analyse bone fragments and skeletal remnants from prey species, primarily deer, that have been taken from areas where there’s been reported sightings of big cats in the past. We look at the spacing parameters of tooth marks … to measure the spacing between the tooth pits, and the size of the tooth pits themselves.

“I’ve done around 250 samples in the lab, and have a further 80 or so left to analyse, and some of the [evidence is] stacking up in favour of a medium to large size feline. This analysis alone will never tell us for certain, but it is an extra piece in the jigsaw.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-leopard-sighting-fails-to-convince-experts
 
Druk said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/experts-say-dead-animal-seen-28733191
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"Courtney said: "You see so many strange looking animals on the side of the road over here. "I had to put my phone on record and point it down to the road, unfortunately it isn’t as clear as I’d like it to be. Looking at that picture it does look like a bobcat. My partner was just looking and he saw a Scottish wildcat on Google and I think it looks like one of them but …. in person you can see a spotted pattern on its coat.""

Then:

"But when she went back an hour later, the animal had vanished. She added: "I’ve just gone on to the bypass with my partner and pulled over, and we stopped exactly where I saw the animal, and now there is no animal there. So I think someone has seen my post and gone to take it.

“There’s no animal there. I’ve literally gone up and down again in my car with my full beams on, but I can’t see any animal there now. So I don’t know what’s happened in the past hour, but I think someone’s seen my post and they’ve taken the animal.”"

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/experts-say-dead-animal-seen-28733191

All they need to do is go back to that exact spot and place a cardboard cut-out of a domestic moggy for scale, but nobody will. Also was she afraid the cat would come back to life and jump up and attack her? Get closer for heaven's sake.

Anyway, those white lines are 15cm wide apparently (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Traf...n four-lane roads, three,line (see para 4.10).:


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"The domestic cat has a smaller skull and shorter bones than the European wildcat. It averages about 46 cm (18 in) in head-to-body length and 23–25 cm (9.1–9.8 in) in height, with about 30 cm (12 in) long tails. Males are larger than females. Adult domestic cats typically weigh 4–5 kg (8.8–11.0 lb)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat#:~:text=The%20domestic%20cat%20has%20a,(8.8–11.0%20lb).

Bag of a fag packet calculation makes this a domestic cat and some kindhearted soul stopped to give it a proper burial, but would love to be proven wrong
 
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Paul_Exeter said:
"Courtney said: "You see so many strange looking animals on the side of the road over here. "I had to put my phone on record and point it down to the road, unfortunately it isn’t as clear as I’d like it to be. Looking at that picture it does look like a bobcat. My partner was just looking and he saw a Scottish wildcat on Google and I think it looks like one of them but …. in person you can see a spotted pattern on its coat.""

Then:

"But when she went back an hour later, the animal had vanished. She added: "I’ve just gone on to the bypass with my partner and pulled over, and we stopped exactly where I saw the animal, and now there is no animal there. So I think someone has seen my post and gone to take it.

“There’s no animal there. I’ve literally gone up and down again in my car with my full beams on, but I can’t see any animal there now. So I don’t know what’s happened in the past hour, but I think someone’s seen my post and they’ve taken the animal.”"

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/experts-say-dead-animal-seen-28733191

All they need to do is go back to that exact spot and place a cardboard cut-out of a domestic moggy for scale, but nobody will. Also was she afraid the cat would come back to life and jump up and attack her? Get closer for heaven's sake.

Anyway, those white lines are 15cm wide apparently:


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I think it is a domestic cat and some kindhearted soul stopped to give it a proper burial, but would love to be proven wrong
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There was no RTA big cat,nor cleanup squads touring the highways and byways removing evidence of dead British leopards,tigers or smilodon,I saw someone writing yesterday of a dead black panther on the M4 :chuckle:
 
Paul_Exeter said:
In The Grauniad today:

"‘Beast of Cumbria’: claimed leopard sighting fails to convince experts​

Research from the Royal Agricultural University suggests possible big cat presence in the UK, but others say evidence is flimsy"

"For the last nine years, he’s been carrying out research in the field. He said: “Here at the RAU, we analyse bone fragments and skeletal remnants from prey species, primarily deer, that have been taken from areas where there’s been reported sightings of big cats in the past. We look at the spacing parameters of tooth marks … to measure the spacing between the tooth pits, and the size of the tooth pits themselves.

“I’ve done around 250 samples in the lab, and have a further 80 or so left to analyse, and some of the [evidence is] stacking up in favour of a medium to large size feline. This analysis alone will never tell us for certain, but it is an extra piece in the jigsaw.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-leopard-sighting-fails-to-convince-experts
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I'd still like some definitive sizing tables. 'Medium' and 'Large' don't really mean anything, as they can be reinterpreted by individuals with axes to grind. Where would, say, a Savannah cat fit? I'd say it probably counts as a medium sized cat, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that domestic Savannah cats might be out roaming and possibly killing (although I'd think they'd be hard pressed to bring down big prey) which would mean that, factually, there are Big Cats (or at least, medium sized ones) roaming the British countryside.
 
catseye said:
I'd still like some definitive sizing tables. 'Medium' and 'Large' don't really mean anything, as they can be reinterpreted by individuals with axes to grind. Where would, say, a Savannah cat fit? I'd say it probably counts as a medium sized cat, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that domestic Savannah cats might be out roaming and possibly killing (although I'd think they'd be hard pressed to bring down big prey) which would mean that, factually, there are Big Cats (or at least, medium sized ones) roaming the British countryside.
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British big cat “experts” class big cats as leopard or mountain lion,and they are experts after all.
 
Druk said:
British big cat “experts” class big cats as leopard or mountain lion,and they are experts after all.
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This isn't a matter of classification, it's a matter of someone saying that there may be 'medium to big cats' around. But there's no categorisation as to what they mean by 'medium to big'. What is a 'medium' cat if a big cat is a leopard? Do they mean that these big cats ARE leopards and mountain lions, or just the same size?
 
catseye said:
This isn't a matter of classification, it's a matter of someone saying that there may be 'medium to big cats' around. But there's no categorisation as to what they mean by 'medium to big'. What is a 'medium' cat if a big cat is a leopard? Do they mean that these big cats ARE leopards and mountain lions, or just the same size?
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Big cat classification,I guess this is the “experts” scale.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_cat
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-india-68499209

This 26 second video is another of those amazing things that are captured on camera these days. Apart from the cool, composed behaviour of the child, the main point of interest for this thread is the size of the leopard.

While extremely powerful, leopards are not that huge. Difficult to judge size if a cat is the other side of a field.
 
Benzie said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-india-68499209

This 26 second video is another of those amazing things that are captured on camera these days. Apart from the cool, composed behaviour of the child, the main point of interest for this thread is the size of the leopard.

While extremely powerful, leopards are not that huge. Difficult to judge size if a cat is the other side of a field.
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That's brilliant - way to go, kid!!

And we've got a vaguely large domestic pet cat - and there's just no comparison with the leopard, which can grow to 90kg!
 
So this chap is local to Dartmoor and claims to be receiving reports and footage of an alien big cat on Dartmoor and has released a series of YouTube videos of which two are linked below:



Bet that chicken never imagined its short life would end tied up a tree as puma bait...
 
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