Ogdred Weary
The Horned King
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Four would seem traditional.
I prefer a Canonical Five myself.
Four would seem traditional.
Not sure what the millions of people alerted could do about that.Multiple aircraft hijackings.
Yellowstone will not go poof though. Volcanic eruptions of any size give ample warning. Yellowstone is not a volcano but a volcanic complex. Other natural disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, and floods are regional; I’m not seeing how people could benefit from a sudden warning. Even a meteor of great size to wipe out a city we would probably see coming. Hmm, maybe a solar flare might be a good example.Well, if Yellowstone ever does go poof - I think we could all do with a bit of a heads up.
But, in all seriousness, maybe another Mount St. Helens? I suppose, in a nation as big as the US, even that might have been classed as regional - although I'm pretty sure I've read that the ash cloud traveled over 900 miles, and affected a dozen states.
Good morning, all!
Not sure what the millions of people alerted could do about that.
I don't think she will be able to forgo her twatterx socials to successfully do thisIf only life were that exciting.
What will she do when it doesn't happen? Will it have been covered up?
Nope. Only her.The system worked. But maybe not, since there are no new zombies around.
Vids at link.
In an era where medical misinformation and disinformation—especially anti-vaxx ideologies—abound and are expected by some experts to just get worse, it's great that folks like The Real Truther are trying their best to battle the lies.
Their latest video takes on MAGA wellness influencer and anti-vaxxer Brittney Kara's awful attempt at using "science" to explain why she believes vaccines cause autism (and let me be clear, they do NOT—the original study by Andrew Wakefield that claimed to find a causal connection has been thoroughly debunked).
The Real Truther also recently created this excellent line-by-line fact check of Robert Kennedy Jr. spouting lies about vaccines on Fox News. Regarding the Robert Kennedy, Jr. debunking, The Real Truther wrote:
https://boingboing.net/2023/05/30/t...i-vaxx-misinformation-and-disinformation.html
That actually happened to me once.The focus of my post was on the angle of burden of proof. what is the standard for "proof" of a crime here? It can't be as simple as having talked about it. That invites the angle of filing cases with nothing but fake evidence, or worse, people getting baited into a discussion for the purpose of reporting it to entrap them.
I thought ramondmercado was trying to lure me into discussing politics once, he wasn't, but I thought he was. lolThe focus of my post was on the angle of burden of proof. what is the standard for "proof" of a crime here? It can't be as simple as having talked about it. That invites the angle of filing cases with nothing but fake evidence, or worse, people getting baited into a discussion for the purpose of reporting it to entrap them.
Any experimental vaccine that killed 60,000 people in a 2 year span would be immediately removed/banned. Covid 19 vaccine was not. Not only was it not removed, but they kept on plugging/advertising how beneficial it will be to receive all boosters. It is not true and they knew it.No one I know in my family nor my friends that I stay in contact with (around 50 people) (Indiana) who had the vaccines ever got sick or died as a result of getting vaccinated. I have also asked others not in my inner circle of people and no one seems to know anyone that did.
Yet there are conspiracies on forums telling of all the people that have died - regular people, atheletes, etc.
Obviously with any vaccine some will have a reaction just like with vaccines in the past but these conspiracy fans are implying far more than statistical issues.
Where is this information/data coming from? Is this simply an anti vaxx conspiracy meme from political sources that are on conspiracy web sites ? And are geographical locations and a specific vaccine the issue here?
Pfizer has admitted it lied about its Covid-19 vaccine efficacy before it entered the market. It told the European Parliament it was not tested before general public use. This is raising concerns as many took the vaccine hoping it will protect them. For reaction to this, we're joined by vaccinologist Shabir Madhi.
I feel your frustration, Marhawkman. No one knew and that's the strangest part to me because there was absolutely no proof or study to back up that the vaccine was safe, effective and prevented death and yet most just accepted that claim as truth. I backed up every post I made here and elsewhere. Most other sites believed me or at least went and did more research before deciding. This site and one other shut me down, "with a bunch of whataboutisms" not that I had to stop, but because I got tired of pushing. It's not my job to save the world.So? I made no claim more substantial that "his wife thought it was the vaccine".
I don't have enough info to make a claim of my own.
And you decided to shout me down with a bunch of whataboutisms that I can't answer because it was not my claim in the first place.
You should be careful, most conspiracies have a way to manifest themselves as truths.Good morning, all!
While I understand your point, in this case, the likelihood of this particular one coming true is about the same as me using a magic wand to induce resonances in jelly globally to start a tectonic shift to sail our island south to sunnier climes.You should be careful, most conspiracies have a way to manifest themselves as truths.
That's what I'd say and then I would sit back and enjoy my beer and popcorn as I watched.
That actually happened to me once.
I thought ramondmercado was trying to lure me into discussing politics once, he wasn't, but I thought he was. lol
We did a piece for a certain online newspaper about the history of vaccine-deniers and it was great stuff. Nothing new under the sun. People happily drinking their own pee and getting fined for refusing to send their kids to be vaccinated in the 19thC, even in rare cases, going to prison. Some real die hards who got sucked into sub-cultures that were vaccine denying, right throughout the 19thc. Nothing new under the sun, etc.
Mine took about 6 days to test negative so I suppose you should maybe base calculations on that. Have you got access to cheap testing kits over there? They’re available at the chemists here in the uk for about £1.50.Last Sunday we went to eldest's for her birthday. later that night we got a text to say granddaughter's boyfriend had come down with covid. Since then granddaughter and youngest also have it. we are all waiting to see if anyone else gets it and whether Christmas will go ahead.
We have a couple of packs but no symptoms as yet.Mine took about 6 days to test negative so I suppose you should maybe base calculations on that. Have you got access to cheap testing kits over there? They’re available at the chemists here in the uk for about £1.50.
Ah, yes, "anti-vaxxers".... Enh, reality is it's not just a yes/no. My first exposure to the concept as a child was talking to my aunt who... had spent decades as a medical health professional. Her take? there are multiple legit reasons to NOT simply "jab everyone".Yep, been around for a long time.
Victorian Britain had its own anti-vaxxers—and they helped bring down a government
As the 1906 UK general election results rolled in, it became clear that the Conservative party, after 11 years in power, had suffered one of the most disastrous defeats in its history. Of 402 Conservative MPs, 251 lost their seats, including their candidate for prime minister, defeated on a 22.5% swing against him in the constituency he had held for two decades.
Rising food prices, unpopular taxes and an opposition that promised to spend heavily on an expanded welfare state all contributed to the Tory downfall that year. But something else had tipped the opposition Liberal landslide over the edge—compulsory vaccination.
Anti-vaccination campaigner Arnold Lupton had taken Sleaford in Lincolnshire for the Liberals on a 12% swing and immediately started his parliamentary campaign to abolish compulsory vaccination against smallpox, a public health policy that had been in place in England and Wales since 1853 (with Scottish and Irish legislation following suit in later years).
Hardly a single Conservative MP was an anti-vaccinator, but 174 of the 397 Liberal MPs in the new parliament signed Lupton's petition.
Their attempt at changing the law was unsuccessful, but this flexing of parliamentary muscle by the anti-vaccinators persuaded the new Liberal government that the most expedient option was to reach a compromise with its backbench rebels.
In 1907, the law was changed to permit quick and easy opt-out by parents. Vaccination of all babies against smallpox remained theoretically compulsory until 1946, but in practice, it was now optional. A five-decade-long campaign, in the streets, the courts and finally parliament, had resulted in victory for the opponents of vaccination.
This is a sobering story for those of us who are researchers, medical professionals or public health activists campaigning against the spread of vaccine hesitancy in the modern world.
The success of vaccination in saving millions of lives, not just from smallpox but a host of other diseases, seems so obvious that the case scarcely needs to be made. And yet it does, as just a cursory glance at social, even at times mainstream, media will reveal. ...
https://phys.org/news/2023-12-victorian-britain-anti-vaxxersand.html
This is the core of my objection to the C-19 vax mandates. It's an experimental treatment, that has been tested before... and found to NOT work in all previous cases. But now it's finally working and definitely safe for mass-implementation world wide? Where are these case studies again?I feel your frustration, Marhawkman. No one knew and that's the strangest part to me because there was absolutely no proof or study to back up that the vaccine was safe, effective and prevented death and yet most just accepted that claim as truth. I backed up every post I made here and elsewhere. Most other sites believed me or at least went and did more research before deciding. This site and one other shut me down, "with a bunch of whataboutisms" not that I had to stop, but because I got tired of pushing. It's not my job to save the world.
Just curious, what is a vaccine "in the traditional" sense?But it's about what the vax is FOR. Some vaxs are something that actually does make you functionally immune to that disease for life. Some of these diseases will cripple you for life if you do contract them. But the C-19 vax is neither of those. It's not even a vax in the traditional sense.
Wow. Deja vu! Fascinating - thanks for posting.Yep, been around for a long time.
Victorian Britain had its own anti-vaxxers—and they helped bring down a government
As the 1906 UK general election results rolled in, it became clear that the Conservative party, after 11 years in power, had suffered one of the most disastrous defeats in its history. Of 402 Conservative MPs, 251 lost their seats, including their candidate for prime minister, defeated on a 22.5% swing against him in the constituency he had held for two decades.
Rising food prices, unpopular taxes and an opposition that promised to spend heavily on an expanded welfare state all contributed to the Tory downfall that year. But something else had tipped the opposition Liberal landslide over the edge—compulsory vaccination.
Anti-vaccination campaigner Arnold Lupton had taken Sleaford in Lincolnshire for the Liberals on a 12% swing and immediately started his parliamentary campaign to abolish compulsory vaccination against smallpox, a public health policy that had been in place in England and Wales since 1853 (with Scottish and Irish legislation following suit in later years).
Hardly a single Conservative MP was an anti-vaccinator, but 174 of the 397 Liberal MPs in the new parliament signed Lupton's petition.
Their attempt at changing the law was unsuccessful, but this flexing of parliamentary muscle by the anti-vaccinators persuaded the new Liberal government that the most expedient option was to reach a compromise with its backbench rebels.
In 1907, the law was changed to permit quick and easy opt-out by parents. Vaccination of all babies against smallpox remained theoretically compulsory until 1946, but in practice, it was now optional. A five-decade-long campaign, in the streets, the courts and finally parliament, had resulted in victory for the opponents of vaccination.
This is a sobering story for those of us who are researchers, medical professionals or public health activists campaigning against the spread of vaccine hesitancy in the modern world.
The success of vaccination in saving millions of lives, not just from smallpox but a host of other diseases, seems so obvious that the case scarcely needs to be made. And yet it does, as just a cursory glance at social, even at times mainstream, media will reveal. ...
https://phys.org/news/2023-12-victorian-britain-anti-vaxxersand.html
pieces of the actual virus. IE it causes an immune reaction by exposing your immune system to a foreign body. The old smallpox thing was to take cow-pox virus and expose people to the actual live virus and intentionally infect them. Why? because cow-pox wasn't a serious illness, and those who had recovered from cow-pox had a natural immunity to small-pox since the two viruses, despite differing greatly in deadliness, had similar proteins in the virus shell.Just curious, what is a vaccine "in the traditional" sense?
Mrna vaccines are nothing new. Past studies and tests, mainly with animals, were usually stopped because the results were a disaster.Yeah we have a few studies of how it's gone horribly wrong in the past.
Ah, but, if you don't talk then the bad guys win.... or something.Sorry for the long posting. I'll never comment on Covid or the vaccines again. It's a waste of time.