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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

FrKadash said:
A friend of mine keeps taking the piss out me and others who have the jabs, he won't wear a mask or get the vaccine, and he spits sometimes when he talks I think because he talks crap so quickly, so going to the pub with him and having a chat is really irritating. He's convinced there's no virus, and that it's all a fake, a government conspiracy! Not that I want a friend to be poorly, but I can't help but wishing, on some level of my mind that he deserves to catch it out of all the people that suffer and die. To have someone who because he is so bored all the time he believes all the online fake news and then takes the piss out of those who are trying to keep safe seems really sick.
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Perhaps it's time to give him the ultimatum.
 
FrKadash said:
A friend of mine keeps taking the piss out me and others who have the jabs, he won't wear a mask or get the vaccine, and he spits sometimes when he talks I think because he talks crap so quickly, so going to the pub with him and having a chat is really irritating. He's convinced there's no virus, and that it's all a fake, a government conspiracy! Not that I want a friend to be poorly, but I can't help but wishing, on some level of my mind that he deserves to catch it out of all the people that suffer and die. To have someone who because he is so bored all the time he believes all the online fake news and then takes the piss out of those who are trying to keep safe seems really sick.
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One observation I made last year some time was that part of this furor seems to be due to Fauci and Daszak stirring stuff up. Sure they didn't directly encourage such things, but they took the "do as I say or else" approach... before anyone even knew what to do....

Actually given what we know now about Fauci and Daszak's relationship with WIV... maybe they knew more than was public knowledge.

At any rate, early into the pandemic they were loudly criticizing and censuring people for disagreement, which started the whole conspiracy frenzy since it gave people valid reason to go "that's BS" when hearing the official stance. So you end up with a lot of people who recognize they're being lied to, but don't really know what the lie is and crucially don't know what is true.
 
Eric Trump will give the keynote speech next month at an anti-vaccine conference....

Trump is set to speak at the Truth About Cancer Live! convention between Oct. 22 and 24 in Nashville, joining a speakers’ lineup that includes some of the most prominent promoters of disinformation about vaccines, as well as leading figures in the QAnon conspiracy theory movement.

The conference is the brainchild of Ty and Charlene Bollinger, two major promoters of anti-vaccine disinformation who have made tens of millions of dollars promoting both alternative health cures for cancer and vaccine fears. The Bollingers have dubbed the coronavirus vaccine “that abominable vaccine,” according to a Center for Public Integrity report, and sell a $200 video series promoting vaccine fearmongering on their website.

Trump told the Beast that he's vaccinated and plans to talk about his father, not about vaccines. But many of the speakers -- you can see the lineup here -- will clearly be there to tell attendees that vaccines are bad. Among them are Andrew Wakefield, whose now-withdrawn, fraudulent 1998 paper in The Lancet kickstarted the modern anti-vaxx movement; Dr. Judy Mikovits, the discredited virologist who's a central figure in the conpiracy documentary Plandemic; Mikki Willis, one of the producers of Plandemic; and Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who famously announced at an Ohio legislative hearing that COVID vaccines make vaccinated people magnetic.

https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/
 
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The next thing in China, coming to the West soon:

 
Mythopoeika said:
The next thing in China, coming to the West soon:

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"This smart device is able to scan QR codes..."

Oh, this will be fun when people put links in QR codes to virus laden websites on their facemasks....
 
There may well be a Thread which this post would fit in but here it is for now. Researchers using old and modern tools analyse the reasons for belief in Conspiracy Theories.

Why people believe Covid conspiracy theories: could folklore hold the answer?​

Researchers use AI – and witchcraft folklore – to map the coronavirus conspiracy theories that have sprung up


Anna Leach and Miles Probyn
Tue 26 Oct 2021 08.00 BST

Researchers have mapped the web of connections underpinning coronavirus conspiracy theories, opening a new way of understanding and challenging them.



Using Danish witchcraft folklore as a model, the researchers from UCLA and Berkeley analysed thousands of social media posts with an artificial intelligence tool and extracted the key people, things and relationships.

The tool enabled them to piece together the underlying stories in coronavirus conspiracy theories from fragments in online posts. One discovery from the research identifies Bill Gates as the reason why conspiracy theorists connect 5G with the virus. With Gates’ background in computer technology and vaccination programmes, he served as a shortcut for these storytellers to link the two.

Gates is a persistent figure in the anti-vaccine stories. “He’s a great villain,” says the folklorist Prof Timothy Tangherlini one of the authors of the research. It’s Gates’ world-spanning influence in tech and then health that lodges him at the heart of a lot of conspiracies.

“Bill Gates is in Africa, he’s in everybody’s house because everybody’s got computers, and then he’s pushing these vaccines.”

Folklore isn’t just a model for the AI. Tangherlini, whose specialism is Danish folklore, is interested in how conspiratorial witchcraft folklore took hold in the 16th and 17th centuries and what lessons it has for today.

Whereas in the past, witches were accused of using herbs to create potions that caused miscarriages, today we see stories that Gates is using coronavirus vaccinations to sterilise people. A version of this story that omits Gates but claims the vaccines have caused men’s testicles to swell, making them infertile, was repeated by the American rapper Nicki Minaj.

The research also hints at a way of breaking through conspiracy theory logic, offering a glimmer of hope as increasing numbers of people get drawn in.

The diagram below is a small section of the anti-vaccine stories that the researchers found. ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...iracy-theories-could-folklore-hold-the-answer
 
I'm not going to comment directly on this or enter into discussion. I'm not sure it's possible to rationally discuss the reaction to Covid any more. As I said when I stopped contributing to the other threads, the data is now so distorted almost any claim is possible.

I will say the facts about Covid-the-virus are out there - they were out there before the pandemic was declared, and in publications produced prior to the pandemic. You can find them if you go and look. And in libraries, not the World Wide Web of lies.

But there is a hell of a lot of money being made out of it by some people. And if you are assuming that everyone involved in handling sums of money of that magnitude is in it for the good of mankind then I would suggest that's a highly optimistic view of human behaviour not justified by past evidence.
 
Cochise said:
I'm not going to comment directly on this or enter into discussion. I'm not sure it's possible to rationally discuss the reaction to Covid any more. As I said when I stopped contributing to the other threads, the data is now so distorted almost any claim is possible.

I will say the facts about Covid-the-virus are out there - they were out there before the pandemic was declared, and in publications produced prior to the pandemic. You can find them if you go and look. And in libraries, not the World Wide Web of lies.

But there is a hell of a lot of money being made out of it by some people. And if you are assuming that everyone involved in handling sums of money of that magnitude is in it for the good of mankind then I would suggest that's a highly optimistic view of human behaviour not justified by past evidence.
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Large amounts of money are certainly being made on the back of Covid, some of it by shady characters.

I must have had a senior moment earlier as the op would of course have fitted in the Covid Conspiracies Thread.
 
Cochise said:
... And if you are assuming that everyone involved in handling sums of money of that magnitude is in it for the good of mankind then I would suggest that's a highly optimistic view of human behaviour not justified by past evidence.
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I would have to disagree, it is absolutely consistent with the type - digital era billionaire.

If you check out that documentary about how social media is ruining the world and the tech Giants know it, it is based on a cast of reformed billionaires who, once they had kids of their own mostly, suddenly realised how awful their wares were. They then set about doing something about it, salving their conscience with good works.

Gates is a classic example. As a businessman, he was ruthless, toxic and generally reprehensible. Having had the error of his ways pointed out to him, he decided to do something about it.

He is a breed of billionaire that is unlike the non tech ones in that at some point in their career, they actually thought they were, or were about to, do good.

A lot of the tech guys aren't motivated by money as such, it is more hegemony for their tech.
 
Ascalon said:
I would have to disagree, it is absolutely consistent with the type - digital era billionaire.

If you check out that documentary about how social media is ruining the world and the tech Giants know it, it is based on a cast of reformed billionaires who, once they had kids of their own mostly, suddenly realised how awful their wares were. They then set about doing something about it, salving their conscience with good works.

Gates is a classic example. As a businessman, he was ruthless, toxic and generally reprehensible. Having had the error of his ways pointed out to him, he decided to do something about it.

He is a breed of billionaire that is unlike the non tech ones in that at some point in their career, they actually thought they were, or were about to, do good.

A lot of the tech guys aren't motivated by money as such, it is more hegemony for their tech.
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That comes under the heading 'If you'll believe that, you'll believe anything'. Leopards do not change their spots. I am a tech guy. I happen to be less motivated by money than most. The man in question was never actually a tech guy anyway - he's a ruthless business man who parlayed a cheap copy of CP/M into a global empire. A true tech guy hates nothing more than a plagiarist.
 
FrKadash said:
A friend of mine keeps taking the piss out me and others who have the jabs, he won't wear a mask or get the vaccine, and he spits sometimes when he talks I think because he talks crap so quickly, so going to the pub with him and having a chat is really irritating. He's convinced there's no virus, and that it's all a fake, a government conspiracy! Not that I want a friend to be poorly, but I can't help but wishing, on some level of my mind that he deserves to catch it out of all the people that suffer and die. To have someone who because he is so bored all the time he believes all the online fake news and then takes the piss out of those who are trying to keep safe seems really sick.
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Hate the virus instead. I've just learned a friend who the Mrs works with has tested positive today, all staff now have to do a lateral test before they come to work for the next 10 days, he's the same as your friend so didn't want the jab etc .. I'll be doing his shopping, any cash he leaves on the bench in his front garden will be sprayed with the 99.9% pure Isopropyl I ordered online when this bullshit all started. It also makes wicked mini flame throwers if you spark a cigarette lighter :) . I hope he doesn't die because his little girl's lovely. Dickhead.
 
marhawkman said:
Well this is a bummer. :/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion/ar-AAQbFiu?ocid=msedgntp
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Which part is the bummer:

- The doctrinaire hatchet job focused on Fauci and public policy (neither of which was heeded in 2020)?
Or ...
- The camouflaged establishment of a thinly-veiled political advocacy organization pretending to be an eminent medical think tank?

Check out the Brownstone Institute's founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker
 
EnolaGaia said:
Which part is the bummer:

- The doctrinaire hatchet job focused on Fauci and public policy (neither of which was heeded in 2020)?
Or ...
- The camouflaged establishment of a thinly-veiled political advocacy organization pretending to be an eminent medical think tank?

Check out the Brownstone Institute's founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker
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The social context of health suggestions or mandates for the residents of the US: my interpretation of the suggestions from the CDC and Dr. Fauci is that both were trying to decide which set of suggestions would be acceptable by the most residents. A compromise.

This is different than the set of suggestions which would be the best for maintaining health. An example of this is the (magical) six feet separation suggestion. I have neighbors who thought that 5 feet 11 inches was unsafe but six feet was safe in all circumstances.

Before my retirement, I regularly was in the unhappy position of trying to compose compromise policy guidance which would be not the best, but better than nothing. Excellence is the enemy of the good. If everyone or even most US residents could have been expected to follow rigorous guidance, I think the disease progression would have been different.
 
EnolaGaia said:
Which part is the bummer:

- The doctrinaire hatchet job focused on Fauci and public policy (neither of which was heeded in 2020)?
Or ...
- The camouflaged establishment of a thinly-veiled political advocacy organization pretending to be an eminent medical think tank?

Check out the Brownstone Institute's founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker
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Hmm... don't remember if I had a specific thing in mind, but... the fact that the bulk of what is in that article is definitely true? Yeah, that's depressing. Especially how much political power-grabbing has be going around as part of this Covid-19 policy making.

Yeah Fauci was at the center of that, and apparently had ulterior motives for his actions... which is... not good. But he's not the only one, and maybe just the highest profile individual.

The point about the way the vaccines were treated in the public eye is especially biting. I don't mean by private individuals either.
 
Russell Brand forgetting he's British, thinking he's American again.
 
Yithian said:
Who are these people?
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Yithian - assuming you are not being rhetorical: my neighbors are, for the most part, perfectly nice, normal, retired people. Most of them, including a retired registered nurse (RN), did not interpret the public information correctly.
This led to poor implementation of risk reduction behavior: not wearing a mask inside a store if you stayed at least 6 feet from another, using either mask OR distance but not both, etc. Many never understood that it was an issue of relative risk reduction, i.e., it is not absolute safety.

The US governmental guidance evolved over time, which added to the confusion.

All of the above is separate from the anti-mask, anti-vaccine true believers, like my next-door neighbor.
 
Endlessly Amazed said:
Yithian - assuming you are not being rhetorical: my neighbors are, for the most part, perfectly nice, normal, retired people. Most of them, including a retired registered nurse (RN), did not interpret the public information correctly.
This led to poor implementation of risk reduction behavior: not wearing a mask inside a store if you stayed at least 6 feet from another, using either mask OR distance but not both, etc. Many never understood that it was an issue of relative risk reduction, i.e., it is not absolute safety.

The US governmental guidance evolved over time, which added to the confusion.

All of the above is separate from the anti-mask, anti-vaccine true believers, like my next-door neighbor.
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I meant to cast no aspersions on your neighbours' characters and I'm quite content to believe that they are perfectly nice people. My apologies if you inferred the contrary from my tone.

My incredulity (for that's what it was, not rhetoric) stemmed from the fact that nothing I personally saw suggested that any of the (slightly varying) distances being advised for 'distancing' was anything other than a decent estimate--and approximation that would probably see you right. There were popular accounts in the media and more detailed analyses from professional researchers that showed how, in specific recorded circumstances, infection had taken place at distances far exceeding 2m (or whatever), and yet, at the same time, prolonged exposure at ranges closer that 2m had still not resulted in infection.

U.S. and U.K. government advice has been poor throughout, but there has been tons of other data in circulation on a daily basis.

Perhaps I have overestimated general levels of curiosity.
 
Yithian said:
I meant to cast no aspersions on your neighbours' characters and I'm quite content to believe that they are perfectly nice people. My apologies if you inferred the contrary from my tone.

My incredulity (for that's what it was, not rhetoric) stemmed from the fact that nothing I personally saw suggested that any of the (slightly varying) distances being advised for 'distancing' was anything other than a decent estimate--and approximation that would probably see you right. There were popular accounts in the media and more detailed analyses from professional researchers that showed how, in specific recorded circumstances, infection had taken place at distances far exceeding 2m (or whatever), and yet, at the same time, prolonged exposure at ranges closer that 2m had still not resulted in infection.

U.S. and U.K. government advice has been poor throughout, but there has been tons of other data in circulation on a daily basis.

Perhaps I have overestimated general levels of curiosity.
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No apologies necessary. I am with you - I was shocked at the low level of curiosity, intelligence, or critical thinking. Hard to define the cognitive problem. I think that the members here on forums.forteana are not typical: we/they are more informed and better at critical thinking. This is not the norm.

In my immediate neighborhood, meaning the houses within 150 feet of mine, 7 people caught covid over a 3 month period. 2 died, 1 recovered completely, and the rest have long covid, including me. We are all over age 60.
 
This is delicious!

Anti-vaxxers bribe doctors for “vaccination” with water, end up with the real vaccine​

(via KeepTalkingGreece)
Mass fake vaccinations have been taking place in dozens of vaccination centers throughout Greece, media reported on Sunday. The bribe fee for doctors and nurses is apparently 400 euros. the fee is paid is by those who do not want to receive the vaccines against Covid-19 but want to gain access to several activities or simply avoid the twice per week Rapid tests for professional and other reasons.

But then a hilarious thing happened: Doctors pocketed the bribe but administered real vaccine and not “water” in order to avoid getting into trouble should the fake vaccination come out, according to a report by Mega TV.
 

Covid vaccine holdouts are caving to mandates — then scrambling to 'undo' their shots​


/hint: it doesn't work that way.

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccine-holdouts-caving-mandates-110008317.html

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In a TikTok video that has garnered hundreds of thousands of views, Dr. Carrie Madej outlined the ingredients for a bath she said will “detox the vaxx” for people who have given into Covid-19 vaccine mandates.

The ingredients in the bath are mostly not harmful, although the supposed benefits attached to them are entirely fictional. Baking soda and epsom salts, she falsely claims, will provide a “radiation detox” to remove radiation Madej falsely believes is activated by the vaccine. Bentonite clay will add a “major pull of poison,” she says, based on a mistaken idea in anti-vaccine communities that toxins can be removed from the body with certain therapies.

Then, she recommends adding in one cup of borax, a cleaning agent that’s been banned as a food additive by the Food and Drug Administration, to “take nanotechnologies out of you.”
 
More dangerous than your average anti-vaxxer.

Two brothers who believed Covid jabs were part of a conspiracy to turn people into "unthinking beings" have been jailed for buying a firearm.

Carlisle Crown Court heard Harry Wilson, 24, from Kendal, ordered a Glock 19 pistol which was intercepted by police and replaced with a replica. In a covert recording heard by the court Ashley Wilson, 27, said: "This is good, innit? Order another."

Judge Andrew Jefferies QC said the response was "excited and immature".

Prosecutor Chloe Fordham told the court the pair "held extreme views about there being a conspiracy by the elite to have the general population vaccinated against Covid in order to infect them with a substance which would kill the God particle in humans and turn them into unthinking beings".

As part of the theory this "elite" wanted to reset the economy, resulting in worldwide food shortages which would require them to defend themselves and their property, she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-59274090
 
ramonmercado said:
More dangerous than your average anti-vaxxer.

Two brothers who believed Covid jabs were part of a conspiracy to turn people into "unthinking beings" have been jailed for buying a firearm.

Carlisle Crown Court heard Harry Wilson, 24, from Kendal, ordered a Glock 19 pistol which was intercepted by police and replaced with a replica. In a covert recording heard by the court Ashley Wilson, 27, said: "This is good, innit? Order another."

Judge Andrew Jefferies QC said the response was "excited and immature".

Prosecutor Chloe Fordham told the court the pair "held extreme views about there being a conspiracy by the elite to have the general population vaccinated against Covid in order to infect them with a substance which would kill the God particle in humans and turn them into unthinking beings".

As part of the theory this "elite" wanted to reset the economy, resulting in worldwide food shortages which would require them to defend themselves and their property, she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-59274090
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Very lenient sentences. Radicaised Muslim teenagers have received longer terms of imprisonment for being in possession of downloaded documents and/or videos.
 
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