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Let There Be More Light: The Pink Floyd Thread

I detest some of his political views(Ukraine and antisemitism), but it won't stop me from listening to his music.
 
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Rog is the least Fortean thing about this old band. Why waste good pixels following his circus. He was really good as a young man twiddling knobs and finding the groove nobody else could imagine. Watch Pompeii and you’ll get what I mean. There’s a scene where he’s toying with an ecorec and gets this capacitor whine and just keeps on cranking the oscillation up until the speakers are peaking out in this insane scream and he’s grinning like a goon and that was Rog when he was happy in his creativity and a member of a band that did that shit all the time and absolutely mastered their art. I remember that Rog. The pre-curmudgeon Rog.
 
With some sassy and cutting Pink Floyd references, Ukraine's ambassador dismisses Waters' address to the U.N. at Russia's invitation as "just another brick in the wall of Moscow’s propaganda."

"It is ironic, if not hypocritical, that Mr Waters attempts now to whitewash another invasion....How sad for his former fans to see him accepting the role of just another brick in the wall – the wall of Russian disinformation and propaganda....Keep strumming the guitar, Mr Waters, it suits you more than lecturing the security council on how to do its job. No flying pigs here, please.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pink-floyd-un-security-council-ukraine-russia
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
With some sassy and cutting Pink Floyd references, Ukraine's ambassador dismisses Waters' address to the U.N. at Russia's invitation as "just another brick in the wall of Moscow’s propaganda."

"It is ironic, if not hypocritical, that Mr Waters attempts now to whitewash another invasion....How sad for his former fans to see him accepting the role of just another brick in the wall – the wall of Russian disinformation and propaganda....Keep strumming the guitar, Mr Waters, it suits you more than lecturing the security council on how to do its job. No flying pigs here, please.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pink-floyd-un-security-council-ukraine-russia
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He'd done so well masquerading as a music fan until he got to 'strumming the guitar'.
 
https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/...=email&utm_campaign=NL230209&utm_content=HTML
Roger Waters has revealed that he has re-recorded Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon album, and hopes to release it in May 2023, as a lavish vinyl accompanied by a concert!

He has re-recorded it from scratch, without the involvement or even knowledge of any of his old band mates. Roger also recently released his new recording of Comfortably Numb, with the guitar solos removed, and replaced by vocals. It was released on his Lockdown Sessions release.

He’s still polishing the final details but it should be released as a “lavish vinyl” and promoted with a concert. Given that Roger left Pink Floyd in the 1980s and doesn’t own the Pink Floyd name, it will very likely be released under his own name.

Given The Dark Side of the Moon is one of the best selling albums of all time and regarded very highly by fans, it does beg the question why does it need to be re-recorded. I guess this new version is in addition to the original masterpiece and not a replacement.

He played bass on only one track – he did a terrific bass solo on Us and Them. Other musicians on the album include multi-instrumentalist collaborator Gus Seyffert, and Seyffert’s girlfriend, Azniv Korkejian, plus a Baptist minister on Hammond organ.

A recent Telegraph interview said, “Now Waters is planning to release a rival version of Pink Floyd’s most famous record, without Pink Floyd’s permission. I’m no copyright expert, but might there be some obstacles to that?”. Roger Waters smiles: “I have no idea.”
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He doesn't give a rat's arse. I'm not even gunna play that.

In the old parlance, that is known as creatively bankrupt. He's taking the piss. Stirring shit. Bored and salty and a jackass. It looks like a concerted effort to burn out all remaining respect peeps might have had for him before he finally checks out for good. How Situationist of him.
 
skinny said:
I remember that Rog. The pre-curmudgeon Rog.
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We've discussed this before in relation to a number of artists fallen from grace: it's OK to like the art, and indeed the artist for what they were, but in turn it doesn't mean you have to like them now. See also Morrissey, Lydon...

Of course you can just like the art and dislike the artist throughout. I'm very fond of Astral Weeks, but I also know someone who's had sporadic contact with Morrison since those days and they say that even back then he was a weapons-grade twat whom if anything has subsequently got worse.
 
stu neville said:
We've discussed this before in relation to a number of artists fallen from grace: it's OK to like the art, and indeed the artist for what they were, but in turn it doesn't mean you have to like them now. See also Morrissey, Lydon...

Of course you can just like the art and dislike the artist throughout. I'm very fond of Astral Weeks, but I also know someone who's had sporadic contact with Morrison since those days and they say that even back then he was a weapons-grade twat whom if anything has subsequently got worse.
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I guess there are limits though.
I mentioned in another thread that I recently bought a second hand record from an antique shop (the Bonzos' brilliant "Gorilla". Now I'm sure all of the Bonzos were/are jolly fine people, so no conflict there.
Amongst the records gathering dust in the shop though, I spotted Rolf Harris' Two Little Boys, several Gary Glitter singles and one album and a couple of Cat Stevens' albums from before he went peculiar. I suspect they will languish in the shop for many years to come.
I will confess to one guilty pleasure on my iPod playlist though; I know Ted Nugent is a bit of a dick who, very like Waters, supports blood sports and holds unsavoury political views, but Stranglehold is a cracking piece of rock music.
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
I guess there are limits though.
I mentioned in another thread that I recently bought a second hand record from an antique shop (the Bonzos' brilliant "Gorilla". Now I'm sure all of the Bonzos were/are jolly fine people, so no conflict there.
Amongst the records gathering dust in the shop though, I spotted Rolf Harris' Two Little Boys, several Gary Glitter singles and one album and a couple of Cat Stevens' albums from before he went peculiar. I suspect they will languish in the shop for many years to come.
I will confess to one guilty pleasure on my iPod playlist though; I know Ted Nugent is a bit of a dick who, very like Waters, supports blood sports and holds unsavoury political views, but Stranglehold is a cracking piece of rock music.
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Have to admit that I still like Cat Stevens' pre-jihadist stuff.

I also enjoy the parody Two Little Boys in Blue by Billy Connolly.

[Chorus]
Do you think I could leave you lying
When I can lie my head off too
If somebody squawks in the witness box
I'll cover up for you
I'll tell a pack of lies, pull the wool over their eyes
The way the Sergeant taught us to
Before you count to three, we'll be off scot-free
We're two little boys in blue

[Verse 1]
Two little boys had two little toys
A whistle and a helmet, blue
And when they were wee, it was plain to see
What they'd grow up into
They were hitting other wains, bashing in their brains
And shopping everybody too [it was him!!]
They didn't reform, now they're in uniform
They're two little boys in blue


[Chorus]
Do you think I could leave you lying
When I can lie my head off too
If somebody squawks in the witness box
I'll cover up for you
I'll tell a pack of lies, pull the wool over their eyes
The way the Sergeant taught us to
Before you count to three, we'll be off scot-free
We're two little boys in blue

[Verse 2]
Now the Duty Sergeant said "tuck the prisoners into bed
But before you take their cocoa through
Keep them in their cells and hit them where it tells
But don't leave them black and blue
You can kick them on their balls, bounce their heads off the walls
Bash them on their kidneys too
Beat them on their legs and thighs but don't give them black eyes
Or you'll be a prisoner too"

[Chorus]
Do you think I could leave you lying
When I can lie my head off too
If somebody squawks in the witness box
I'll cover up for you
I'll tell a pack of lies, pull the wool over their eyes
The way the Sergeant taught us to
Before you count to three, we'll be off scot-free
We're two little boys in blue
 
"Have to admit that I still like Cat Stevens' pre-jihadist stuff.

I also enjoy the parody Two Little Boys in Blue by Billy Connolly."

I went right off Billy Connelly after he angered a crowd by cracking gags about hostage Ken Bigley, who was murdered by the Islamic State.
 
stu neville said:
It most certainly is.

They most certainly were/are. Had the great privilege of meeting a couple of them (Viv more than once but he was tired and emotional every time, Neil Innes was a lovely chap though.)
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Ah, 'The Kidnapped Vicar'.......
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
...and a couple of Cat Stevens' albums from before he went peculiar. I suspect they will languish in the shop for many years to come.
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ramonmercado said:
Have to admit that I still like Cat Stevens' pre-jihadist stuff.
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Personally, I don't hold too much animosity towards Cat Stevens. Even if you believe he's now backpedaling and actually supported jihad shortly after his conversion - I'm not sure I feel that way - I'd chalk it up to an overzealous embrace of his newfound religion, becoming a kind of Muslim Ned Flanders. At that time he even said he thought it sinful to sing with instrumental accompaniment. He seems to have mellowed quite a bit since then. A TV appearance and comments in reissue liner notes and on his website make me think he is now just an average conservative Muslim, and no whackier than the next guy.

I listened to a few samples of the stuff he put out when he returned to recording and was not impressed. However, while I have no interest in buying it, his rerecording of the Tea for the Tillerman album was pretty good, especially the new version of "Father and Son" which uses a 50-year-old recording of him singing the son's part.

Of course the original version of that album and Teaser and the Firecat are gems.
 
skinny said:
Remember this?
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Nice rendition.....great guitar playing by Gilmour. Waters fumbles around on bass.
Never thought that much of his bass playing or singing either. Mediocre at best though he did come up with some good lp concepts and lyrics.
 
April 1969, during their Syd's gone upstairs; what the fuck do we do now? phase.
Lengthy description of the circumstances at the link.
Haven't seen this before.
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blessmycottonsocks said:
I guess there are limits though.
I mentioned in another thread that I recently bought a second hand record from an antique shop (the Bonzos' brilliant "Gorilla". Now I'm sure all of the Bonzos were/are jolly fine people, so no conflict there.
Amongst the records gathering dust in the shop though, I spotted Rolf Harris' Two Little Boys, several Gary Glitter singles and one album and a couple of Cat Stevens' albums from before he went peculiar. I suspect they will languish in the shop for many years to come.
I will confess to one guilty pleasure on my iPod playlist though; I know Ted Nugent is a bit of a dick who, very like Waters, supports blood sports and holds unsavoury political views, but Stranglehold is a cracking piece of rock music.
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See, I even have Glitter on a Spotify playlist, given that it's the music (which he had virtually nothing to do with) which is the attraction for me.

Also I've always felt bad for the Glitter band, given their association. See also - all the members of LostProphets who weren't Ian Watkins.

Morrissey is a disgusting human being, and yet I prefer his (early) solo works (up to Your Arsenal) to anything produced by The Smiths.

Lydon, I'm willing (possibly foolishly) to give more slack to, as I do wonder whether half of what he says is simply to keep him in the public eye and shift a few more records. Given the situation with his wife, I assume he's trying to ensure a comfortable future for both of them.
It is also possible he is just an arse...

Anyway, back to Pink Floyd, I've been a fan ever since I saw a showing of the Delicate Sound of Thunder concert on ITV in the early hours one morning (this was when ITV broadcast shows of interest at such times, rather than the infomercials and live "casino" shows of now), when I was about 14 or 15, so my introduction was post Waters anyway.

I think it's been obvious since The Final Cut, if not The Wall, that Waters has a very specific mindset, and given his releases since the split have demonstrated a certain sixth form socialist/atheist view of the world ("What God Wants" anyone...?), I can only respect Gilmour, Mason and Wright for not chucking him out and/or decking him long before the split happened.

That said, I think I may have mentioned on this thread before that my favourite take on Comfortably Numb is actually from the "Live in Berlin" of 1990 with that other Uncle Chuckle Trousers, Van Morrison, on the Gilmour vocal duties.
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
I guess there are limits though.
I mentioned in another thread that I recently bought a second hand record from an antique shop (the Bonzos' brilliant "Gorilla". Now I'm sure all of the Bonzos were/are jolly fine people, so no conflict there.
Amongst the records gathering dust in the shop though, I spotted Rolf Harris' Two Little Boys, several Gary Glitter singles and one album and a couple of Cat Stevens' albums from before he went peculiar. I suspect they will languish in the shop for many years to come.
I will confess to one guilty pleasure on my iPod playlist though; I know Ted Nugent is a bit of a dick who, very like Waters, supports blood sports and holds unsavoury political views, but Stranglehold is a cracking piece of rock music.
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Love Ted Nugent's tribute to Fred Bear. I know many people disapprove of blood sports, but hunting grizzly bears with a bow and arrow takes a lot more guts that letting a pack of hounds rip a fox to bits.
 
This is more of an embedded recount than a concert film. A great document of the teen culture of the times (not much has changed - they're still mostly dumb and exploitable, which was the main purpose of their invention, I guess. Interesting how yer man built himself an inside economy and became an instant entrepreneur out of necessity for cash. Big props to him. There's a bunch to savour visually and aurally, but it is not a concert video.

Ontario, Canada, Summer '75
Enjoy.
 
BaronHardacre said:
Lydon, I'm willing (possibly foolishly) to give more slack to, as I do wonder whether half of what he says is simply to keep him in the public eye and shift a few more records. Given the situation with his wife, I assume he's trying to ensure a comfortable future for both of them.
It is also possible he is just an arse...
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Lydon is both a natural contrarian and also much more perceptive than he pretends to be—many of his controversial proclamations are either a) extremely dry irony or b) designed to 'push people's buttons'—the kind of people hates: censorious upholders of monolithic moralities and their bovine marks, mostly—the same people he railed against in the 80s after he had left the Sex Pistols and grown up politically (his instinctive ire became better aimed).

Hence communists, fascists, Islamists, Roman Catholics and the 'cancelling left' all get equally short shrift: anyone inviting you to adopt a pre-packaged worldview that doubles as a mental straitjacket. One size fits nobody, as he might put it.

He never breaks kayfabe nor admits that a stance has been taken ironically (that would defeat the point), and he loves baiting journalists, but for all the games, he's right more than twice a day, given a certain definition of 'right' at any rate. He's seldon perscriptive with his own views, but he insists absolutely that people arrive at their own via a process of independent thought—that's about as libertarian as it gets.

His declaration of 'support' for a certain highly controversial U.S. politician was entirely in keeping with his overarching philosophy: his opponent was the epitome of a spent placeholder, and the man he supported was a maverick outsider. I say 'support' because it was more a deconstruction of the state of the political landscape than an appeal to support a man for whom he can have little political sympathy.
 
I've recently heard that Roger Waters started to do those multi-part songs (Shine On You Crazy Diamond Part 1, Part 2, etc) simple to make more money from sales of each album, as he had more song credits than the others and thus received a higher percentage of the take. Apparently this is still a sticking point with the other Floyds.

In other news, I've always liked this early tune, Lucy Leave

I'm a King Bee is my fave version of the venerable tune:
 
MrRING said:
I've recently heard that Roger Waters started to do those multi-part songs (Shine On You Crazy Diamond Part 1, Part 2, etc) simple to make more money from sales of each album, as he had more song credits than the others and thus received a higher percentage of the take. Apparently this is still a sticking point with the other Floyds.

In other news, I've always liked this early tune, Lucy Leave

I'm a King Bee is my fave version of the venerable tune:
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Who’s the 5th member in some of those pics of the band in the Lucy Leave vid?

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