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People Who Feel Wrong

Mythopoeika said:
Have you ever spoken to your brother about this?
Or would that cause animosity?
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I'm not that close to him and he seems happy enough, so no. I've kept my feelings to myself. In fact, thinking about it, this is the first time I've "said" out loud what I really feel about her! (And I'm pretty sure I'm only saying it now because of that weird reaction I had earlier today hearing about the impending invite to their house).

He and she are planning on getting wed next year and my brother told my mum that they had been arguing because she wanted either to elope or to only invite parents. He wants his siblings and nephews and nieces there, oh, and his son from his previous marriage! I see trouble ahead - so maybe a conversation will need to be had soon enough. (I wouldn't be the one causing the trouble by the way, I don't mind if we're invited or not truth be told, it's my brother's life, not mine)
 
About fifteen years ago, my wife-to-be and I were in a small town in Ontario, on Canadian Thanksgiving day, waiting for a greyhound at the bus station. We were desperate to get to Brantford that night and public transport was very thin on the ground. There was a youngish guy at the bus station going around and talking to random people, gesticulating and laughing a bit crazily. We made sure to avoid eye contact as we felt there was a bad feeling about him. Unfortunately the greyhound never turned up and with very few options one thing led to another and we ended up having to share a forty-mile taxi ride with him.

Interestingly when we were absolutely forced to talk to him he turned out to be a decent fellow, rather eccentric and perhaps lacking in social skills, but really he was OK. It made us think a bit how easy it can be to pigeonhole someone and not give them a chance. Having said that there was no sense of violence about him even at the bus station otherwise we would never have got into the taxi!
 
asparagus said:
.. Interestingly when we were absolutely forced to talk to him he turned out to be a decent fellow, rather eccentric and perhaps lacking in social skills, but really he was OK. It made us think a bit how easy it can be to pigeonhole someone and not give them a chance. Having said that there was no sense of violence about him even at the bus station otherwise we would never have got into the taxi!
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You'd love it at Glastonbury Festival then asparagus .. it's a buffet of eccentrics and characters :cool:
 
Scribbles said:
It doesn't really fit, she doesn't appear nervous. I sense no vulnerability about her at all. I don't want to rush and make her feel OK like I do when I sense other people are suffering socially. I don't want to go near her, in fact. And she has said some deliberately provocative things, which I'm guessing you wouldn't do if you were inwardly scared of the people around you.
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Hey Scribbles, this list might help you figure out what's going on:
The top 100 traits and behaviors of personality disordered individuals
http://outofthefog.website/traits/
(Every link on the page leads to further information about each trait and behavior, too.)
While some personality disorders might lead a harmless person to appear quirky, eccentric or fearful, others can lead to potentially dangerous behavior.

I have a family member with Narcissitic Personality Disorder (and has 80+ traits on the list) and that website been a great resource in helping to cope with it.
 
Swifty said:
You'd love it at Glastonbury Festival then asparagus .. it's a buffet of eccentrics and characters :cool:
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I bolded that word, 'eccentric'. My last boss, whom I hated on sight, called me that and I laid into him for making spurious mental health diagnoses. :mad:

When I say I hated him on sight, that's exactly what happened. He's a wrong'un if anyone ever was. His whole demeanour is arrogant and intrusive. I responded with insolence and contempt, like a sulky teenager, and he reckoned he couldn't manage me. Bully me, more like.

He's one of those gits who don't respect personal space. Kept trying to hug me, because apparently his management style is touchy-feely (though only with straight women, not gay ones or men) and I should have welcomed the attention.
the women
After a bit of to-and-fro with my union I left for a better job. Around that time he lost 8 staff in 6 weeks. The women who still work there have to flirt with him when they go to arrange leave or whatever. Dunno how he hasn't collected a punch up the bracket.
 
Ulalume said:
Hey Scribbles, this list might help you figure out what's going on:
The top 100 traits and behaviors of personality disordered individuals
http://outofthefog.website/traits/
(Every link on the page leads to further information about each trait and behavior, too.)
While some personality disorders might lead a harmless person to appear quirky, eccentric or fearful, others can lead to potentially dangerous behavior.

I have a family member with Narcissitic Personality Disorder (and has 80+ traits on the list) and that website been a great resource in helping to cope with it.
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Americans love to diagnose and label people. I'm not so sure it's always that healthy and that view is shared by a few scholars in other parts of the world.

I think unless someone has an issue that really impacts of their lives then they don't really need a diagnosis. Also a diagnosis allows pharmaceutical companies to peddle medication to treat that disorder and pharmaceutical companies, primary function is to make money.

I'm not anti-medication far from it but I think we have to be careful in medicating all aspects of the human condition.
 
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Naughty_Felid said:
Americans love to diagnose and label people. I'm not so sure it's always that healthy and that view is shared by a few scholars in other parts of the world.

I think unless someone has an issue that really impacts of their lives then they don't really need a diagnosis. Also a diagnosis allows pharmaceutical companies to peddle medication to treat that disorder and pharmaceutical companies, primary function is to make money.

I'm not anti-medication far from it but I think we have to be careful in medicating all aspects of the human condition.
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Seems like Asperger is very "popular" diagnosis to get these days.
 
Frideswide said:
popular? who is it popular with? :confused:
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Notice I put it in quotation marks. Not saying ordinary popular, but people who often are dedicated and good at one single topic in a field are often diagnosed with Asperger, and it looks like it's an easy diagnosis to get. It might be fields like mathematics, statistics and programming. In Norway we got a company which hires people with Aspergers who is especially good at a narrow topic.
 
SameOldVardoger said:
Seems like Asperger is very "popular" diagnosis to get these days.
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I must admit that Scribbles description of her future sister in law does sound a lot like Aspergers or an Autisitic Spectrum Disorder to me. I know three men who have been diagnosed in the past few years, two in their 30s, one in his 20s. I also know several other men and one woman who are socially and behaviourally odd in ways that suggest they may have ASD. I'm no expert and agree there are many pitfalls to diagnosing or pigeon holing someone.

There was a creepy thread that I read on here a few years ago which many of the stories here remind me of, I think it was written by an American or Canadian man, who had a very creepy encounter with a young man at dusk as he was getting of his small boat at a pontoon/dock on a lake. A few people commenting said the weird and seemingly threatening behaviour of the young man sounded a lot like ASD, I think one person said they worked with people with ASD and another had a relative and that people with the condition often seem like they are making a poor attempt to "imitate" a human. I've looked for it but can't find it, anyone know or remember that one?
 
Arawn_ap_Annwn said:
There was a creepy thread that I read on here a few years ago which many of the stories here remind me of, I think it was written by an American or Canadian man, who had a very creepy encounter with a young man at dusk as he was getting of his small boat at a pontoon/dock on a lake. A few people commenting said the weird and seemingly threatening behaviour of the young man sounded a lot like ASD, I think one person said they worked with people with ASD and another had a relative and that people with the condition often seem like they are making a poor attempt to "imitate" a human. I've looked for it but can't find it, anyone know or remember that one?
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I think that may have been on the 'Black Eyed Kids' thread.
 
Mythopoeika said:
I think that may have been on the 'Black Eyed Kids' thread.
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Thanks, I remember there being a reference to the kid having black pupils but I thought it was in it's own thread.

I have met one person who has a similar vibe to those who are "imitating a human", though this person is friendly, funny and intelligent but their body language and interactions are so strange/off that it's actually creepy.
 
Arawn_ap_Annwn said:
Thanks, I remember there being a reference to the kid having black pupils but I thought it was in it's own thread.
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You're right. I remember that thread well (I posted on it), but I couldn't think of a killer word to search on - I remember one or two place names were given, but they have long slipped my mind. In desperation I searched on "river boat island bridge", and the thread came up as No.4 in the list of finds!! 'Ere 'tis:-

http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/strange-kid-on-boat-ramp.45271/

(First post was May 20, 2011.)
 
Well found, Mr Rynner!
 
rynner2 said:
You're right. I remember that thread well (I posted on it), but I couldn't think of a killer word to search on - I remember one or two place names were given, but they have long slipped my mind. In desperation I searched on "river boat island bridge", and the thread came up as No.4 in the list of finds!! 'Ere 'tis:-

http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/strange-kid-on-boat-ramp.45271/

(First post was May 20, 2011.)
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Thanks, either I didn't look back far enough or I missed it.
 
SameOldVardoger said:
and it looks like it's an easy diagnosis to get
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Well, in the USA it's now officially impossible ;)

Yes, fixed narrow in depth expertise is often an indicator. But it's a lot more than that and the non-diagnostic signs and symptoms are the disabling part. :(

Is the company Specialisterne?
 
I used to work with a couple of guys who might fall into the category of ‘feeling wrong’ at the same company in the early nineties.

The first one - I’ll call him Simon - I actually quite liked and hung about with a little outside work. It’s just that he was almost universally hated by everyone else. People said he gave them the creeps and was a bit of a ‘space cadet’ in that he was always coming out with wacky, weird stuff, but needless to say I thought this was quite interesting at times. He had a bit of a martial arts Zen-type vibe going on as well and drove like a maniac. A very popular song was in the charts and I had bought the cd single, so Simon asked me to tape it for him and gave me a c60 cassette. When I asked if he would like me to put anything else on the tape he declined in favour of just having that one song (about three minutes long) repeated as many times as I could fit it on. I think he would be into Conspiracy theories these days.

The second one, ‘Gary’, was a Pink Floyd loving pot-head with extreme far-right views. He seemed quite angry beneath the surface but this was hidden well as he looked very meek and nerdy. On breaks, myself and several others would sometimes notice him staring intently, almost as if straight through us. The eye contact lasted just a little too long for comfort. Where I didn’t mind Simon one bit, I would have had reservations about spending time alone with Gary even though physically he was quite small and weedy. He would also, without fail arrange to meet up with a few of us for drinks after work and then not show up. It became a thing in that we expected it and took no notice of his excuses the next day. He didn’t have to say he was going out in the first place - who cares? He also once confessed to trying meths and blackcurrant, ‘Just to see what it was like.’

A few years ago, after a gap of about twenty years I actually saw Gary at a petrol station and he recognised me. Yes, he was giving me that same stare with a half-smile on his face. I didn’t acknowledge him, not because of any feelings of creepiness but I just couldn’t be bothered after so much time had passed.
 
We have veered semi-off topic, to people who are odd in a "bad" way, Davidplankton's post puts me in mind of a guy I worked with about 15 years ago. He was young, early 20s and looked and acted a little "odd" I suppose. I only spoke to him at any length a few times and he was friendly but one woman I sat next to said he was into "weird stuff" when I asked what she said "rapes and stuff", I burst out laughing as it was so incongruous and unexpected, she laughed as well and when I asked if was he really in to rapes she corrected it to serial killers/true crime.

That sort of stuff is not too rare an interest, especially for strange young men but I do wonder about "rapes" being the first thing she said. She was young and may have been exaggerating or maybe he had talked about rape to her? That may have been someone with no social skills and outre interests attempting to make conversation or trying to be "shocking" or it could have been more sinister. They had previously sat next to one another and I only sat next to her for a few weeks before leaving the job, so I never found out any more. He seemed completely harmless to me, he was physically small and had the demeanour of someone who was probably friendless or picked on at school, I felt sorry for him but he may have intimidated a young woman, without even meaning to - poor social skills and so on.
 
did I post this here? Can't remember.

But I was living in rural Norfolk a long time ago (well, around 1993-94) and I had seriously bad feelings on meeting the boyfriend of an acquaintance (She was a nice kid but hopelessly screwed up). Tall, saturnine, slightly menacing and like a less well groomed version of Russell Brand. OK to speak to, held down a job as a delivery driver, and not objectionable: just a sense of some sort of intensity about him. Nothing you could put your finger on apart from a vague feeling of "do not get too close".

A year or so later this guy, call him Luke, was arrested and charged with rape. Six months later, just before I left Norfolk, the now ex-girlfriend, call her Sandra, said she'd been asked by the police to "assist with their enquiries" into the Ringland Hills Murders. (serial killer who murdered several prostitutes in Norwich, dumped the bodies in the Ringland Hills, case still officially unsolved). What could she remember about Luke's movements while they had been together? Especially on these two nights?

I lost touch after that, but I gather "Luke" was at the time the primary suspect for two sex murders... the case is still officially unsolved and has been reopened, so either he was cleared of involvement or they couldn't get conclusive evidence. But you do wonder.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/m...d_norwich_prostitute_after_20_years_1_1698967
 
This my first posting after lurking, forever it seems. Concerning the original post, is it possible the driver had been involved in a fire and what was perceived as "not right" was you actually picking up on their psychic pain and suffering. Just a thought.
At the risk of being a braggart in my premier I have encountered feelings of "wrongness" before and managed to escape with my life and fortune intact. It's important to trust that gut feeling! Glad this thread is still going. Usually get into one just before it dies.
 
The JD-MC said:
This my first posting after lurking, forever it seems. Concerning the original post, is it possible the driver had been involved in a fire and what was perceived as "not right" was you actually picking up on their psychic pain and suffering. Just a thought.
At the risk of being a braggart in my premier I have encountered feelings of "wrongness" before and managed to escape with my life and fortune intact. It's important to trust that gut feeling! Glad this thread is still going. Usually get into one just before it dies.
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Welcome to the Board!
 
The JD-MC said:
This my first posting after lurking, forever it seems.
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greetings madam/sir! and welcome :) Remember to try out the Troll's Head Bar if you wish.......
 
The JD-MC said:
This my first posting after lurking, forever it seems. Concerning the original post, is it possible the driver had been involved in a fire and what was perceived as "not right" was you actually picking up on their psychic pain and suffering. Just a thought.
At the risk of being a braggart in my premier I have encountered feelings of "wrongness" before and managed to escape with my life and fortune intact. It's important to trust that gut feeling! Glad this thread is still going. Usually get into one just before it dies.
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Welcome to the board and thanks it was my OP.

I've meet my fair share of psychopaths, murderers, etc who have ended in prison as I said before and a couple of folk who were completely evil - been there seen that I'm used to dealing with people who have committed hideous crimes.

These are still human though. What I experienced was something that felt non-human. A parody or something disguised as human but not human.

Not annoyed at how the thread turned out though.
 
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