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If it had stealth capabilities, they might not have seen it...Completely unnoticed by the foresters who worked out there every day, or the people who walked and rode through there – Rendlesham Forest is open public land, remember.
Well, some people did see something go down. Some of the civilian witnesses also mentioned the foresters talking about trees being removed and radioactivity. I'm wondering if any of the early researchers at Rendlesham ever made a serious attempt to talk to them first hand, because they are the people who knew the forest best and were most likely to know what was going on. Might even be worth trying to reach any of them surviving today, or their families.If it had stealth capabilities, they might not have seen it...
As noted, I was reading the riveting story for the first time, from a transcript of a 1984 telephone conversation, which I could never publish because I don't have permission to....is repeating Larry Warren's story, although Warren said it ws Gordon Williams not Halt who did the 'communicating'.
Goodness me! Oh, yes and I know of this for sure, because I am currently re-reading, 'Skycrash', which features some of the earliest case material in that respect!I'm wondering if any of the early researchers at Rendlesham ever made a serious attempt to talk to them first hand...
Vince the forester was the first person I spoke to, as it happens.I'm wondering if any of the early researchers at Rendlesham ever made a serious attempt to talk to them first hand, because they are the people who knew the forest best and were most likely to know what was going on.
Thanks, will check that out!Vince the forester was the first person I spoke to, as it happens.
You can hear him in his own words on a BBC3 programme from 2003 here
Well, some people did see something go down. Some of the civilian witnesses also mentioned the foresters talking about trees being removed and radioactivity. I'm wondering if any of the early researchers at Rendlesham ever made a serious attempt to talk to them first hand, because they are the people who knew the forest best and were most likely to know what was going on. Might even be worth trying to reach any of them surviving today, or their families.
Well, I think the people who did see something on Christmas night (not the night of the 26th) were not talking about vague lights in the sky. The main witness was Garry Collins, who saw a 30' wide object at a height of 60' and it seems that this is also what Boast and maybe his daughter saw -- a largish object, way too big to fit in the alleged Penniston landing site, which I think was created as a diversion. "How did such a big thing land in such a small clearing?" as Boast's daughter put it. If only we could locate her!That's a very good point. One of the things that stands out for me in reading the actual witnesses' / participants' accounts of the first (December 26) is that it consists entirely of military personnel seeing lights in the woods. Except for the later (and possibly spurious) mentions of (a) an unidentified radar hit that disappeared off the scans approximately 15 miles to the east and (b) a documented fireball there's not a single thing relating to weirdness aloft.
The people who ventured out into the forest were stalking lights in the woods, not lights in the sky. None of them were noted as being experienced woodsmen, and in any case they were all outsiders unfamiliar with that particular forest and its surrounding environs.
When unidentifiable lights were observed out in the forest beyond the base perimeter the only hypothesis documented was the notion the lights might have represented a downed or landed aircraft. The idea that the lights in the woods might have simply been lights in the woods of a mundane sort (distant buildings; lightship; nighttime hunters; local farmers) doesn't seem to have been on anyone's mind.
The failure to explain the lights on that first night was the basis for the presumptive woo factor in play during the second round (i.e., Halt and company).
It would be of definite relevance to learn what sorts of nighttime lights were known to be possible sights in the forest four decades ago. The apparent fact nobody thought to investigate this basic background to the events represents a serious flaw in both the investigations and anyone's / everyone's basis for evaluating what may have happened.
@Analogue Boy touched on this recently, wondering if something so simple as a distant Christmas tree could be a factor.It would be of definite relevance to learn what sorts of nighttime lights were known to be possible sights in the forest four decades ago. The apparent fact nobody thought to investigate this basic background to the events represents a serious flaw in both the investigations and anyone's / everyone's basis for evaluating what may have happened.
And do we have diary entries or other comtemporary documentation? No. It's all 'me too' stuff well after the event.Well, I think the people who did see something on Christmas night (not the night of the 26th) were not talking about vague lights in the sky.
When you look again at all the different, flashing lights, Burroughs illustrates...John Burroughs' sketch of his observation in the early hours of Boxing Day and which accompanied his official, written statement, remains intriguing...
Obviously, further disconcerting.Col Conrad, Halt's boss, told the story rather differently to Dave Clarke a decade ago, as Dave reports on his blog...
...the alleged Penniston landing site, which I think was created as a diversion.
The people who ventured out into the forest were stalking lights in the woods, not lights in the sky. None of them were noted as being experienced woodsmen, and in any case they were all outsiders unfamiliar with that particular forest and its surrounding environs.
As noted in my initial reply:It would be of definite relevance to learn what sorts of nighttime lights were known to be possible sights in the forest four decades ago. The apparent fact nobody thought to investigate this basic background to the events represents a serious flaw in both the investigations and anyone's / everyone's basis for evaluating what may have happened.
It sounds like a coherent and sensible account and I think you are doing the witness an injustice.And do we have diary entries or other comtemporary documentation? No. It's all 'me too' stuff well after the event.
Yes, but the situation is more complicated than it needs to be because of the constant focus on just three witnesses, two of whom have come up with increasingly implausible stories and the third who may -- or may not -- have mistaken stars for things flying overhead and shooting down beams. The only reason I can see for this focus, and downplaying the evidence of UK witnesses (as just happened) is the touching belief that military people are somehow more reliable, or believable, than civilians, and the fact that they had written statements that can be accessed now. I am just pointing out that in a case this complex you can't just take three peoples' evidence as your only source of "reliable" data -- and that means giving serious consideration to other accounts that throw into question the entire nature of the incident. I can't accept this simplistic division into "UFOs" versus "perceptual and memory errors." There are strong signs that mind control and disinformation have been employed, and the promotion of fake theories. And these are all aimed at the "UFOs = aliens from space" idea. They wouldn't go to such trouble over something trivial. This alone tells us that what really happened had nothing to do with ETs or mistaken lighthouses.
Don't go there...
Just don't...
('Life's complicated enough already'!)
And indeed they didn't. There was no cover-up because there was nothing to cover up.They wouldn't go to such trouble over something trivial.
To whom it may concern,
Hello my name is Richard, I am writing to see if you might be interested in my true UFO story regarding an encounter with a flying saucer back in 1980? With recent claims regarding the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident, I thought I would strike while the iron is hot, I have always intended to make my story available for public scrutiny before my death and I feel like the time is now right to do so.
Let me take you back to December 26TH 1980, a day that would ultimately change and ruin my life forever. It was a bitter cold night and as a serving police officer I was on duty. I was attending to a report of a possible domestic/disturbance/argument in the town of Woodbridge, located in Suffolk, 7 miles north-east of Ipswich in the East of England.
I was roughly about a quarter of a mile away from Woodbridge when for no apparent reason my police radio was suddenly swamped with interference, static electricity and crackling noises started to emerge from it, so I decided to pull my vehicle over to the side of the road and see if I could figure out what the problem was.
No sooner than I had stopped the vehicle there was an intensely bright flash of green light that lit up the whole interior of the car like a christmas tree. (see image)
Not sure what to make of what had just happened. I got out of the car to see if I could possibly figure out what caused it. Not really expecting to see anything I was completely shocked to discover a huge green-whitish, glowing, illuminated, phosphorescent disk/saucer shaped craft hovering directly above me in the sky, it was an incredible and unbelievable but frightening spectacle to witness, my skin started to tingle and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.
The saucer was huge, slowly rotating and was making a quiet/soft whirring noise. As a police officer I always carried a polaroid camera in the boot of the police vehicle whenever on driving duties, it's just something that I did.
I rushed to the boot and obtained my camera, I fired off three shots, I then stood there somewhat shaken and continued to view this object. After what felt like an eternity, but was no more than just over a minute or so, the saucer suddenly and without warning soared up high into the night sky at breathtaking and phenomenal speed and was literally gone and out of sight in a nanosecond, I was left standing there thinking to myself what the hell just happened?
Two of the photos came out completely fogged and showed absolutely nothing, but luckily one came out almost perfect and showed the saucer in all it's glory, I have included that original and untouched polaroid with my email.
The time of my sighting was precisely 1.55 AM. It really was like something out of a star trek movie, to be honest, words are inadequate to even begin to try and explain just how fantastic and how mind blowing this encounter was, and the colour of the saucer, it was like no other green I have ever seen, the photo really doesn't do it justice, dont get me wrong it's a wonderful polaroid but to see that saucer hovering in the sky and the sheer size of it, and the phenomenal speed at which it departed, the two simply don't compare, it was a truly mind blowing experience that no photograph could ever capture.
I had a very difficult time coming to terms with what I encountered on that December evening. Back then in 1980 there was no one to turn to, it's not like it is today, what with the internet and a simple click of a few buttons and you are instantly online talking to support groups etc, it just wasn't like that back then, plus I never wanted to tell anyone anyway, I mean would you?
And especially being a serving police officer it just simply wasn't an option, so I just filed it away in the back of my mind and tried to get on with my life. That wasn't to be though, soon after my encounter I started suffering with anxiety and panic attacks and clinical depression, I suffered terrible and frightening nightmares also and it wasn't long before things started to destroy my marriage.
I took time off work but it didn't help, all I did was drink myself into oblivion and sleep all day. Eventually I confided in my wife and decided to seek professional help. I ended up in therapy, I had a psychiatrist, I was on antidepressants, this whole UFO encounter turned my life upside down and eventually I had to leave the police force on medical grounds and unfortunately I have never worked another day since.
I have suffered with terrible physical and mental health problems ever since this thing happened and I know for a fact that all my health conditions are a direct result of my encounter with a flying saucer, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, not even my worst enemy.
That wasn't the end of it, I also received menacing and threatening telephone calls, even death threats a few weeks after my encounter and a couple of months later my home was subjected to an attempted arson attack, my wife believed at the time that this was an attempt by someone to try and destroy my photographic evidence and intimidate me into keeping my mouth shut, it certainly was a very unsettling and frightening time.
I can tell you this also, several days after my encounter a very good friend of mine who was a high ranking senior police officer told me that he was visited at home by 3 men claiming to be military intelligence, he said he was simply TOLD in no uncertain terms that if anyone mentions the word UFO then simply tell them that they probably saw the lighthouse and simply tell them it was faulty at the time, he said they gave him other information but he wouldn't disclose it to me.
I also heard quiet a few strange tales from members of the public in the months that followed my UFO sighting, none of them were ever reported for fear of ridicule, they may sound far fetched to most people but not to me, not after what I saw.
One man told me that on the 28TH December at 3AM he was awoken by his dog barking furiously at the back kitchen door, he said he opened the door and there was a small glowing orb hovering around his back garden, he said the orb shot off and his dog chased after it, suddenly it went silent and when he got around the corner of his garden the orb had fled and all that was left of his dog was a gooey puddle, he claimed his dog had been vaporized, I asked him if he reported it, he just looked at me and laughed and asked me if I was mad.
One woman told me that on the 26TH December at 2.30 AM she woke up and found herself in a forest staring at a glowing pyramid surrounded by several small humanoid entities, within seconds she claims she was suddenly back in her bed. I could tell you more incredible stories I heard and maybe one day when I have more time I will.
For all those individuals out there who simply think that the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident was nothing more than a flying lighthouse or can be explained away by some other ridiculous explanation, let me say this, spare a thought for all those who were caught up in this, it was real, it happened FACT, end of story.
Hopefully one day soon and especially within my lifetime, I hope that all the information the government have including photographic evidence is released and made available to the general public as we all have a right to know the facts and truth as to what really happened in Rendlesham Forest.
I can't mention any names or say too much, but a very trusted source told me that there are still many witnesses to come forward with their evidence. That person also told me that everyone thinks that the visitors were looking for nuclear weapons, they told me that is complete nonsense and the true explanation is that the visitors had boots on the ground and were doing something in the forest, still yet unknown and one of their team was captured, killed, bagged and tagged by the military and shipped out to a secret location for analysis and to be studied and that's the reason the visitors were seen for several days, at one point shining beams of light down as they were obviously looking for one of their own.
Makes perfect sense when you think about it, why would a biologically and technologically advanced race of extraterrestrials capable of interstellar and probably intergalactic space travel be interested in such things? That would be like NASA suddenly releasing a statement expressing their interest in caveman technology!
I will leave you all with this thought...
THOSE WHO SPEAK DO NOT KNOW, THOSE WHO KNOW DO NOT SPEAK!!!!!
If you are interested in my true story and my photographic evidence and would like to use it for your publication/website etc, then you have my full blessing and permission to do so, all I would say is please keep my name out of the public domain and treat it with the strictest of confidence.
Many thanks,
Yours faithfully,
(Retired Police Officer)
Please get back to me at your convenience, I look forward very much to receiving your reply.
Impeccable logic -- if you know that there was nothing to cover up.And indeed they didn't. There was no cover-up because there was nothing to cover up.
Are you saying that the civilian witness testimony is of no account? No, I'm not wasting my time, I don't intend to spend a lot of time tracking down the witnesses, I know from experience that it is rare to succeed in that after so long a time gap. But these people took the trouble to come forward and say what they saw, and if it suggests a way of viewing Rendlesham that is different from the usual ET vs. illusion arguments, then I think it worth considering.Carl, the event happened 40 years ago. All the documentation has been released. Nothing has emerged to suggest anything unusual happened. You are of course welcome to believe otherwise but you will be wasting an awful lot of your time.
But why have such a poor piece of photographic equipment if you intend to use it for anything serious, particularly as a police officer?As a police officer I always carried a polaroid camera in the boot of the police vehicle
But why have such a poor piece of photographic equipment if you intend to use it for anything serious, particularly as a police officer?
The Polaroid Land Camera is a technological 'sofa-bed' of a camera. Not good at anything really, except for maybe taking 'fun' pictures at a party, or on holiday. ...
Another Rendlesham UFO photo has emerged
Posted on Tuesday, 27 April, 2021