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The Nicola Bulley Disappearance (St Michael's On Wyre, Lancashire)

PeteS said:
I take it your cupboard residents couldn't be bothered to rush to your aid?
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May I remind you, @PeteS, that I've moved into the portal (which I admit is technically in the upstairs understairs cupboard)
By the time I'd crossed several alternate dimensions to check on @catseye's screams I found myself in the right place but in 1762 so...
 
pandacracker said:
May I remind you, @PeteS, that I've moved into the portal (which I admit is technically in the upstairs understairs cupboard)
By the time I'd crossed several alternate dimensions to check on @catseye's screams I found myself in the right place but in 1762 so...
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...and the door would STILL have been locked, even in 1762. You are not the only one who can use the upstairs understairs portal.
 
Lancashire police detective who led Nicola Bulley case dies at 50


The "highly respected and admired" police chief who led the Nicola Bulley search has died suddenly at his home, Lancashire Constabulary has confirmed.

Assistant Chief Constable Peter Lawson, 50, who took a high profile role during the [case] earlier this year, was described as an "outstanding officer who served the communities of Lancashire with pride". His death on Sunday is believed to be "medical-related" and has been referred to the coroner, the force said.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/police-chief-who-led-nicola-28266253

maximus otter
 
It appears another watery disappearance has occurred.

Gaynor Lord: Norwich park remains closed as search continues

https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/new...norwich-park-remains-closed-search-continues/

Gaynor Lord, who works at Bullards in Jarrold, was last seen in London Street at 2.35pm on Friday and was heading towards Norwich Cathedral.
Later that day Gaynor's belongings, including clothing and jewellery, were found in Wensum Park by a member of the public.
Officers were able to identify Gaynor from these belongings and established she had failed to return home from work that evening.
Over the weekend, specialist search teams carried out extensive searches of the area, including water-based searches carried out with assistance from the force's Marine Unit, Norfolk Fire and Rescue Service and the Coastguard. [/quote
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Robbrent said:
It's not that uncommon rather sadly, rivers or canals
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At the moment, with flooding and water practically everywhere, there could be people drowning in the middle of fields. I went out a couple of weeks ago with the dog, fields we normally just walk through I had to walk around - the dog (who is not huge, admittedly) was swimming. If I fell and hit my head and drowned, but my body wasn't found for a day or so during which time the water had all drained, it might be a puzzler.
 
Robbrent said:
It's not that uncommon rather sadly, rivers or canals
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Strikingly similar to the NB case and similar age with 3 children. But there is a vast amount of cctv footage which shows her hurrying out of work early, running down the street and across busy roads. Clearly in a dash to do what she had in mind before being reported missing. Possessions found scattered all over the park, vast Police presence and their statement that no one else seems to be involved. Again they must know background information. Let's hope the self styled "experts" keep their noses out this time. So incredibly sad for her family who will face this for the rest of their lives.
 
Another incidence which has had prominence in the media is the suicide of the female headteacher following an adverse OFSTED report. Much criticism has been levelled at the inspection which reduced the school from Outstanding to Inadequate. I suspect there will be more history to the tragedy than a bad report but you have to wonder whether women of a certain age are getting the support they really need . (If it had been me I would have kicked back in no uncertain terms)

It also begs the question whether these type of authorities (OFSTED, CQC et al ) are aware of the human effects that their intervention can have. They were designed to assist in advising on improving schools and other environments but seem to have evolved into almost a Police force. Apparently CQC have decided that designation ( Outstanding Good etc) of areas under their control can be changed on a weekly basis. I doubt that's even possible since they don't have the staff to carry out inspections more often than every 2 years or so. Just adds vast amounts of stress to what are already stressful environments. One wonders how many more deaths will result from the activities of overbearing authorities.
 
Regarding Pete's (very good) points: I'll try to avoid the more political & wider dimension(s) of the Ofsted controversy, and instead just state that some organisations are forever 'holding others to account' for a number of possible reasons; one of which being that such strident actions draw attention away from their own failings. Ironically, those failings are then often exposed by way of their performative 'account-taking'.

The paragraph above is necessarily bland, and therefore doesn't reflect my anger at those who have apparently decided - for self-serving or for politically expedient reasons - that teachers are 'the enemy within'. Considering I've no connection with anybody involved in these controversies, and have no association with teaching or with teachers, that anger is telling: I am disgusted by what happened to Ruth Perry, and at what teachers are increasingly subjected to.
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67728331

Police searching for missing Norwich woman Gaynor Lord have recovered a body from the River Wensum.
Norfolk Constabulary confirmed it was recovered from the water this morning by underwater search teams.
While the body has not been formally identified, Ms Lord's family has been informed, the force added.
 
The whole case displayed how dangerous social media has become, the Facebook groups should have been closed down they were just a cess pit of conspiratorial nonsense from people who watch too many crime dramas, and as for the so called specialist diver, it became more a publicity stunt for his company and he fueled much of the bizarre speculation
 
Robbrent said:
The whole case displayed how dangerous social media has become, the Facebook groups should have been closed down they were just a cess pit of conspiratorial nonsense from people who watch too many crime dramas, and as for the so called specialist diver, it became more a publicity stunt for his company and he fueled much of the bizarre speculation
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The publicity stunt for diver company backfired in a spectacular fashion didn't it?
 
PeteS said:
The publicity stunt for diver company backfired in a spectacular fashion didn't it?
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I think he was only trying to help.

He would have found her body had it been at the bottom but he should have been thorough enough to point out that there were areas of reeds at the side of the river where he would not have found her.
 
PeteS said:
The publicity stunt for diver company backfired in a spectacular fashion didn't it?
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I think it did, I think I might have been a bit harsh on him but his constant need to comment was annoying he could have just worked with the police teams there he did not need to be a public face, I believe a few Police Forces won't work with him now
 
PeteS said:
The publicity stunt for diver company backfired in a spectacular fashion didn't it?
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Probably not as much as it should have done. I have a little experience in a similar field and whilst all what he claimed was plausible his level of confidence and wording was most certainly not.

You can have the best modelling in the world, an innate understanding of a stretch of water and yet, it will generally catch you by surprise. There are always too many changing unknowns lurking below the surface and even on the river banks etc that mean you are always playing catch up. I've seen recoveries of large vehicles take way longer than expected, simply because they are not where they were expected to be. This is even when the entry point is known and the body of water is somewhat contained rather than fast flowing. Unlike a car, a body doesn't simply sink and stay there.

The diver guy hampered the investigation, sold out the police (sure, they didn't do everything brilliantly, especially communications wise, in this case but the search they carried out was what you would expect). It fed the subsection of 'brilliant minds' that seek out alternative truths and realities.
 
PeteS said:
Another incidence which has had prominence in the media is the suicide of the female headteacher following an adverse OFSTED report. Much criticism has been levelled at the inspection which reduced the school from Outstanding to Inadequate. I suspect there will be more history to the tragedy than a bad report but you have to wonder whether women of a certain age are getting the support they really need . (If it had been me I would have kicked back in no uncertain terms)

It also begs the question whether these type of authorities (OFSTED, CQC et al ) are aware of the human effects that their intervention can have. They were designed to assist in advising on improving schools and other environments but seem to have evolved into almost a Police force. Apparently CQC have decided that designation ( Outstanding Good etc) of areas under their control can be changed on a weekly basis. I doubt that's even possible since they don't have the staff to carry out inspections more often than every 2 years or so. Just adds vast amounts of stress to what are already stressful environments. One wonders how many more deaths will result from the activities of overbearing authorities.
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Round here, schools that developers have their eye on, mysteriously go from "Oustanding" to less so... It's very intriguing.

TBH, I suspect at the point you lose all morals and ethics enough to want to be an Ofsted inspector, you wouldn't give a crap about the effects you're having on others' lives, anyway... (Ex teacher here who always got good feedback from inspectors but still... they are dicks).
 
Falco Xen Burger said:
Probably not as much as it should have done. I have a little experience in a similar field and whilst all what he claimed was plausible his level of confidence and wording was most certainly not.

You can have the best modelling in the world, an innate understanding of a stretch of water and yet, it will generally catch you by surprise. There are always too many changing unknowns lurking below the surface and even on the river banks etc that mean you are always playing catch up. I've seen recoveries of large vehicles take way longer than expected, simply because they are not where they were expected to be. This is even when the entry point is known and the body of water is somewhat contained rather than fast flowing. Unlike a car, a body doesn't simply sink and stay there.

The diver guy hampered the investigation, sold out the police (sure, they didn't do everything brilliantly, especially communications wise, in this case but the search they carried out was what you would expect). It fed the subsection of 'brilliant minds' that seek out alternative truths and realities.
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Think I said on this here thread at the time that the police knew what they were doing and were privy to info that we weren't, no doubt.

Recently saw on YT (forget where) a fascinating interview with the diver bloke, though, who said some interesting stuff. Apparently, (he claims so it's "allegedly") the police wouldn't let him search where she probably was, for some time, and told him their divers had done that bit..?
 
Ghost In The Machine said:
Think I said on this here thread at the time that the police knew what they were doing and were privy to info that we weren't, no doubt.

Recently saw on YT (forget where) a fascinating interview with the diver bloke, though, who said some interesting stuff. Apparently, (he claims so it's "allegedly") the police wouldn't let him search where she probably was, for some time, and told him their divers had done that bit..?
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He would be best just shutting up about it, it just sounds like he is trying to fix the damage he did himself
 
Ghost In The Machine said:
Round here, schools that developers have their eye on, mysteriously go from "Oustanding" to less so... It's very intriguing.

TBH, I suspect at the point you lose all morals and ethics enough to want to be an Ofsted inspector, you wouldn't give a crap about the effects you're having on others' lives, anyway... (Ex teacher here who always got good feedback from inspectors but still... they are dicks).
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In my kids school, they knew an inspection was on the way when teachers suddenly took more interest beyond reading out from textbooks.
I can't help wondering if part of the reason that poor woman dreaded any downgrading of the status by the inspection was the impact on her teaching career.
Most schools now are run by private management firms ... er ... education providers and any reduction in status might harm her relationship with the owners. I'm not completely disbelieving in her dedication to her school and pupils but it seems to me another risk which tipped her over the edge.
 
We watched it and noticed how the press/media felt that while they'd not been trusted with information, as usually happens, the police had been indiscreet with it.

Also, the family didn't have a police-appointed media liaison officer. They let their mate do it.
The police generally lost control of the information flow.

The searchers on the ground did their best. In the river itself, the diving company failed miserably.
All the time, the poor woman was dead in the river.
 
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