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It seems coincidental that the present day line of vegetation in an otherwise pretty barren landscape, ends right where the old branch would have run.

Could there still be some water flowing underground along the old route?

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When I was in Egypt last year, our local guide said that the yearly flooding of the Nile used to bring the river up to the pyramids at Giza. Maybe when the flood resided it left a waterway for a while until it dired up each year. There does seem to be a corolation between the vegetation and the edges of the flood.

He said that the workforce were not slaves but seasonal workers who could not farm when the plains flooded. So they worked on the pyramids to get paid partly in food. It was better than starving. At certain sites we saw the visible water marks and residues of the water and mud high up on the sides of temples.

Re: Christopher Dunn. His Power plant theory sounds both amazing and crazy in equal measure.

His theory (Please correct me if I'm wrong): Starting at the bottom: The whole pyramid vibrated at a certain frequency which matched the Earths natural frequency thanks to some sort of Tesla-esque subterranean machine.

A mixture of chemicals were poured via two shafts into the Queens chamber. These released hydrogen due to the vibration. The hydrogen then makes it's way into the Kings chamber via an assending passage and the Grand gallery.

Cosmic microwaves were funnelled down one shaft into the Kings chamber (This shaft is built at just the right dimensions to increase the amplitude of a certain wavelength which activates the hydrogen). High energy microwaves are then output from the Kings chamber via another shaft.

My questions would be (amongst others): What happens to the waste products in the Queens chamber? Why is the structure so massive? What was powering the Tesla machine? How did they harness the Output?
 
When I was in Egypt last year, our local guide said that the yearly flooding of the Nile used to bring the river up to the pyramids at Giza. Maybe when the flood resided it left a waterway for a while until it dired up each year. There does seem to be a corolation between the vegetation and the edges of the flood.

He said that the workforce were not slaves but seasonal workers who could not farm when the plains flooded. So they worked on the pyramids to get paid partly in food. It was better than starving. At certain sites we saw the visible water marks and residues of the water and mud high up on the sides of temples.

Re: Christopher Dunn. His Power plant theory sounds both amazing and crazy in equal measure.

His theory (Please correct me if I'm wrong): Starting at the bottom: The whole pyramid vibrated at a certain frequency which matched the Earths natural frequency thanks to some sort of Tesla-esque subterranean machine.

A mixture of chemicals were poured via two shafts into the Queens chamber. These released hydrogen due to the vibration. The hydrogen then makes it's way into the Kings chamber via an assending passage and the Grand gallery.

Cosmic microwaves were funnelled down one shaft into the Kings chamber (This shaft is built at just the right dimensions to increase the amplitude of a certain wavelength which activates the hydrogen). High energy microwaves are then output from the Kings chamber via another shaft.

My questions would be (amongst others): What happens to the waste products in the Queens chamber? Why is the structure so massive? What was powering the Tesla machine? How did they harness the Output?
The workers weren't just paid in food, they were paid in beef and medical care. For that time that's great pay. Keep in mind at the time you were mostly limited to what you could hunt or grow.
The Egyptian state stockpiled grain and meat and used it to support the population through lean times and to fund their massive construction projects.
This richness in grain was part of what made Egypt so valued by later civilizations like the Romans.

As for Dunn, he claims a bunch of things. Like that the Egyptians or whoever actually built the pyramids, had high tech power tools they used to rapidly cut the stone.
There's a bunch of issues with these ideas, but part of the issue I have with his claims is that he only looks at Ancient Egyptian sites.
The Romans cut loads of granite, and took over the quarries in Egypt when it was their turn. Shipping raw blocks back to Rome to be worked there by the artisans. If his claims about the stone work were valid, a good way to prove this would be by comparing the much better attested stone work by the Romans, who had superior tools and techniques to the Ancient Egyptians, though the basic technology used was the same.
 
It seems coincidental that the present day line of vegetation in an otherwise pretty barren landscape, ends right where the old branch would have run.

Could there still be some water flowing underground along the old route?

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If there were water flowing underground along the old route making for the modern border of vegetation, wouldn't we expect some vegetation on both sides of the old route?
 
Something I came across today. Only three relics were ever discovered within the Great Pyramid:

Treasures of the Museum: The Mysterious Dixon Relics​

Back in the fall of 2020, it was excitedly reported a 5,000 year old artifact, one of only three relics ever discovered in the Great Pyramid, was ‘re-located’. The 2020 rediscovery of small fragments of cedar wood, found inside a cigar box, that was misplaced back in 1946, brought new attention to the Dixon Relics. The Dixon Relics are a trio of mysterious objects found in the Great Pyramid back in 1872.

Right from their initial discovery, this valuable trio was separated. The objects were found by Waynman Dixon, and his friend James Grant, while investigating the Great Pyramid in 1872. Dixon had kept two of the objects, which are now housed and displayed at the British Museum, but the pieces of wood were kept by Grant. These cedar fragments were later given to the University of Aberdeen by Grant’s family in 1946. However, at that time they were not catalogued correctly and went missing for over 70 years. Fortunately, they have now been found in the University’s museum collections, and can be reunited.

The Dixon Relics were found inside the air shafts leading from the Queen’s Chamber inside the Great Pyramid. The three objects are described as a small stone ball, a copper hook, and cedar wood fragments.
https://mysteriouswritings.com/treasures-of-the-museum-the-mysterious-dixon-relics/
 
If there were water flowing underground along the old route making for the modern border of vegetation, wouldn't we expect some vegetation on both sides of the old route?
It depends on the exact route I suppose.
There could be some on either side- or maybe it's not been allowed to grow there, for some reason.
 

Not Giza but close;

Ancient Egyptians May Have Used Hydraulic Lift to Build Pyramid​


An aerial view of the Step Pyramid in Egypt



The Step Pyramid stands more than 200 feet tall and is made from stones weighing more than 650 pounds. Some other researchers are notyet convinced by the idea that it was built using a hydraulics system. Ahmed Gomaa / Xinhua via Getty Images


Standing as much as hundreds of feet tall and made of stones weighing up to 100 tons, Egypt’s pyramids are a remarkable feat of ancient engineering. To this day, scientists aren’t entirely sure how they were constructed.

In a study published Monday in the journal PLOS One, researchers propose that ancient people may have relied on water to build the Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara, Egypt. They suspect a hydraulic system may have helped lift stones from the center of the pyramid.

“This is a watershed discovery,” Xavier Landreau, first author of the new study and CEO of the private research institute Paleotechnic in France, tells Live Science’s Jennifer Nalewicki. “Our research could completely change the status quo [of how the pyramid was built].”
Some other researchers are not yet convinced by the argument.

Judith Bunbury, a geoarchaeologist at the University of Cambridge in the U.K. who did not contribute to the findings, tells Ars Technica’s Jennifer Ouellette that while there is evidence of Egyptians using other hydraulic technologies at the time, there isn’t evidence of a hydraulic lift system.

“While information from this period is sparse, it is not absent, and it is surprising when so many other details of daily life and technologies are recorded in the Old Kingdom tomb scenes and texts like the Red Sea Scrolls, that this type of device is omitted if it were in use,” she says to the publication.

The Step Pyramid of Djoser was built around 4,700 years ago as a burial complex for King Djoser. It’s the oldest important stone building in Egypt, according to Encyclopedia Britannica. The Step Pyramid was the first design to use a pyramid shape for the pharaoh's grave and was innovative in how it raised and precisely stacked stones that had been shaped in a particular fashion, per the new paper.

The stones used for the pyramid weighed more than 650 pounds, and the building stretched to about 200 feet high. Later pyramids would grow to taller heights and were made of even larger stones.

Researchers have proposed many techniques that ancient Egyptians may have used to raise stones to the heights needed to construct the pyramids, including ramps, cranes, hoists and pivots. But “no generally accepted wholistic model for pyramid construction exists yet,” the study authors write.

For the new study, the researchers propose that a massive enclosure to the west of the pyramid could have served as a dam that trapped sediment and water. Water could have then flowed east into a floodplain that was possibly once a lake, and from there into the Dry Moat surrounding the pyramid.

The researchers argue that compartments in the moat could have acted as a water treatment facility, purifying water and regulating its flow.

Finally, the water in the moat may have been used to elevate stones. Water entering a vertical shaft could have allowed a pulley system to raise a float and lower a platform, writes Science News’ Bruce Bower. Then people could have placed rocks on the platform and drained the shaft, lowering the float and raising the platform, per Science News.

Researchers have previously found evidence that ancient Egyptians used hydraulics for other purposes, such as delivering materials, building ports and locks and constructing irrigation systems, the study authors write.

Bunbury tells CNN’s Taylor Nicioli there may have been enough water to support a hydraulic lift. On the other hand, Oren Siegel, an archaeologist at the University of Toronto who was not involved in the research, tells Science News that the proposed dam could not have held enough water from occasional rain to maintain a hydraulic system.

“My biggest concerns about the study are that no Egyptologists or archaeologists were directly involved and that the authors actually question the use of the Djoser Pyramid as a burial site,” Julia Budka, an archaeologist at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich who did not contribute to the findings, wrote to Live Science in an email, after reading a pre-print version of the paper.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ed-hydraulic-lift-to-build-pyramid-180984843/
 

Not Giza but close;

Ancient Egyptians May Have Used Hydraulic Lift to Build Pyramid​


An aerial view of the Step Pyramid in Egypt



The Step Pyramid stands more than 200 feet tall and is made from stones weighing more than 650 pounds. Some other researchers are notyet convinced by the idea that it was built using a hydraulics system. Ahmed Gomaa / Xinhua via Getty Images


Standing as much as hundreds of feet tall and made of stones weighing up to 100 tons, Egypt’s pyramids are a remarkable feat of ancient engineering. To this day, scientists aren’t entirely sure how they were constructed.

In a study published Monday in the journal PLOS One, researchers propose that ancient people may have relied on water to build the Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara, Egypt. They suspect a hydraulic system may have helped lift stones from the center of the pyramid.

“This is a watershed discovery,” Xavier Landreau, first author of the new study and CEO of the private research institute Paleotechnic in France, tells Live Science’s Jennifer Nalewicki. “Our research could completely change the status quo [of how the pyramid was built].”
Some other researchers are not yet convinced by the argument.

Judith Bunbury, a geoarchaeologist at the University of Cambridge in the U.K. who did not contribute to the findings, tells Ars Technica’s Jennifer Ouellette that while there is evidence of Egyptians using other hydraulic technologies at the time, there isn’t evidence of a hydraulic lift system.

“While information from this period is sparse, it is not absent, and it is surprising when so many other details of daily life and technologies are recorded in the Old Kingdom tomb scenes and texts like the Red Sea Scrolls, that this type of device is omitted if it were in use,” she says to the publication.

The Step Pyramid of Djoser was built around 4,700 years ago as a burial complex for King Djoser. It’s the oldest important stone building in Egypt, according to Encyclopedia Britannica. The Step Pyramid was the first design to use a pyramid shape for the pharaoh's grave and was innovative in how it raised and precisely stacked stones that had been shaped in a particular fashion, per the new paper.

The stones used for the pyramid weighed more than 650 pounds, and the building stretched to about 200 feet high. Later pyramids would grow to taller heights and were made of even larger stones.

Researchers have proposed many techniques that ancient Egyptians may have used to raise stones to the heights needed to construct the pyramids, including ramps, cranes, hoists and pivots. But “no generally accepted wholistic model for pyramid construction exists yet,” the study authors write.

For the new study, the researchers propose that a massive enclosure to the west of the pyramid could have served as a dam that trapped sediment and water. Water could have then flowed east into a floodplain that was possibly once a lake, and from there into the Dry Moat surrounding the pyramid.

The researchers argue that compartments in the moat could have acted as a water treatment facility, purifying water and regulating its flow.

Finally, the water in the moat may have been used to elevate stones. Water entering a vertical shaft could have allowed a pulley system to raise a float and lower a platform, writes Science News’ Bruce Bower. Then people could have placed rocks on the platform and drained the shaft, lowering the float and raising the platform, per Science News.

Researchers have previously found evidence that ancient Egyptians used hydraulics for other purposes, such as delivering materials, building ports and locks and constructing irrigation systems, the study authors write.

Bunbury tells CNN’s Taylor Nicioli there may have been enough water to support a hydraulic lift. On the other hand, Oren Siegel, an archaeologist at the University of Toronto who was not involved in the research, tells Science News that the proposed dam could not have held enough water from occasional rain to maintain a hydraulic system.

“My biggest concerns about the study are that no Egyptologists or archaeologists were directly involved and that the authors actually question the use of the Djoser Pyramid as a burial site,” Julia Budka, an archaeologist at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich who did not contribute to the findings, wrote to Live Science in an email, after reading a pre-print version of the paper.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ed-hydraulic-lift-to-build-pyramid-180984843/
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Sorry Ramon- I just saw that you already posted this elsewhere, a week before!
 
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