The Vallow / Daybell Case: MIA Kids / Fugitive Mom / Apocalyptic Cult

[skinny]

Anyone else following the trial? I don’t see how she can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is as plain as the nose on ur face she was part of the conspiracy to kill all four, yet no evidence has come to light outside of circumstantial testimony. I’m not confident she will get what she deserves. I’m glad I’m not on that jury.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

This mother is special. She was selected by the cosmos to be queen and kill her kids so she could fuck a toad who murdered his long-suffering wife. Yup.

I haven't been following this trial, but always in these high-profile cases it is a problem when choosing a jury.
Prospective jurors are asked if they are aware of the case and have made any pre-judgments, which can eliminate many.
Not always, but sometimes the jury pool that is left from that process may be those who are doubters or non-believers in the evidence.

 

[ramonmercado]

Anyone else following the trial? I don’t see how she can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is as plain as the nose on ur face she was part of the conspiracy to kill all four, yet no evidence has come to light outside of circumstantial testimony. I’m not confident she will get what she deserves. I’m glad I’m not on that jury.

I'm interested in the case but haven't followed the trial proceedings. Would you recommend any links which summarise the trial to date?

 

[skinny]

Try Google for a summary. We're at day 14 now. I'm using daily updates on Youtube. Mainly Nate Eaton at East Idaho News.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/...-foam-tammys-death-more-plus-a-special-guest/

I also follow Lauren Matthias at Hidden True Crime

and Scott Reisch at Crime Talk.
https://www.youtube.com/@CrimeTalk/videos

Those three are the professionals. They've been on every moment since the beginning. Eaton was the one who went to Hawaii and got in Chad and Lori's face, for all the good that did.

 

[skinny]

I'm interested in the case but haven't followed the trial proceedings. Would you recommend any links which summarise the trial to date?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lori-vallow-daybell-trial-testimony-murders-tammy-tylee-jj-autopsy/

 

[skinny]

I'm interested in the case but haven't followed the trial proceedings. Would you recommend any links which summarise the trial to date?

Nate just posted a summary of his most memorable witnesses and moments thus far. Audio.

 

[ChasFink]

Anyone else following the trial? I don’t see how she can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is as plain as the nose on ur face she was part of the conspiracy to kill all four, yet no evidence has come to light outside of circumstantial testimony. I’m not confident she will get what she deserves. I’m glad I’m not on that jury.

I'm not following the trial closely. What do you mean by "circumstantial"? Contrary to popular belief, many people are convicted on circumstantial evidence. And is she accused of conspiracy? "As plain as the nose on your face" is pretty much the same as "beyond a reasonable doubt".

 

[skinny]

What do you mean by "circumstantial"?

I mean the witness testimonies.

Contrary to popular belief, many people are convicted on circumstantial evidence.

Correct.

And is she accused of conspiracy?

Yes. It is unlikely that they died by her hand, but the prosecution are arguing she was a co-conspirator with Chad and Alex to have them all liquidated. It is unclear if it was Chad or Alex who did the deeds but most assume Alex was the executioner.

"As plain as the nose on your face" is pretty much the same as "beyond a reasonable doubt".

I have no doubt, but the jury are only permitted to judge on what is presented in court. Maybe they will find the timeline of events and the things said about her are enough to convict. Maybe they won't.

 

[skinny]

There has been no smoking gun moment yet, but the prosecution have done far better with their case than I'd previously have given them credit for, especially given the paucity of hard evidence against her. Their witnesses have been strong. Defense has been rather minimal on cross.

It is unknown if defense will call Lori to testify. They start calling defense witnesses this week I think.

 

[ChasFink]

I tend to think she would not be doing herself a favor by testifying.

 

[skinny]

100%
But she does love the attention.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Today at trial it came out that Lori Vallow's hair was found on duct tape wrapped around her son.

Lori Vallow murder trial day 19: Hair from 'Doomsday mom' found on duct tape wrapped around dead son​

BOISE, Idaho - A piece of Lori Vallow's hair was apparently stuck to a piece of duct tape wrapped around her murdered 7-year-old son's body, a witness testified Monday, according to local reports.
"The partial DNA profile matched the DNA profile provided for Lori Vallow Daybell," DNA analyst Keeley Coleman testified Monday of the hair stuck to a piece of adhesive. The adhesive had been wrapped around J.J.'s body when investigators found him buried on Daybell's property in June 2020, according to East Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton."

So hard to read this.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/lori-vallow-murder-trial-day-19

(Reminds me so much of the 'Caylee Anthony' case down in Florida of 2011, where duct tape from the mother's home was found wrapped around 2-1/2 year old Caylee's skull. And the mother was unbelievably acquitted.)

 

[skinny]

Probably won’t amount to much in the final analysis as he was in her care until his death. You’d expect there to be her hair on his clothing etc. Still, every little bit that ties her to the event is important.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

I think she will be convicted, along with her husband.

 

[skinny]

Prosecution rests. They called 60 witnesses across 5 weeks. Defence witnesses? None!!

Lori pleads the fifth and does not testify in her own defence. Closing args tomoz. Jury to deliberate afterwards, but not sure when. Verdict probably out Monday. Lay your bets.

Most commentators seem to think it’ll be a slam dunk. I’m not convinced. In any case I think appellate issues will arise immediately upon a guilty verdict and life sentence. This will stretch out for decades but she should be behind bars for all of it hopefully. She pleaded not guilty to all charges and is IMO certainly guilty on all counts, so Judge Boyce should give no quarter, no parole.

 

[skinny]

guilty on all counts

Go to 1:05:00 for verdict.

 

[skinny]

There is something going on here... it's been bubbling along for weeks with unsatisfying reports. Plus, there's a Fortean element.

I've been wondering what you meant, beyond the early obvious nutcakery of the villains, when you said this back in early 2020. It looks like this post might have been on a mainstream news thread and later collated in this sub-forum. That said, the depths of moral depravity plumbed by the Cox siblings in the name of Jesus Christ has borne out the truth of your assertion beyond anything that could be imagined at the time.

Now that the trial has exposed what they did to those poor children, I have to confess I'm properly horrified at what their, especially Lori's, agenda represented. I'll develop my analysis here later if anyone's interested in my opinion. Suffice to say I now think Lori is more shark than human. She is exactly where she should be. In a cage.

 

[skinny]

So here we go with appeals. Not gonna happen yet.