Fortean Documentaries

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I've not searched for a prior thread for documentary films, but if there is one I suggest it get sticky status.

We have a series on our local multicultural TV station here in Australia called "As It Happened". Tonight's doco is on Tunguska. German production.

Link here: the Tunguska doco is called "Big Bang in Tunguska". Now sure if these can be viewed outside Australia. Often the productions are French, and always fascinating.

I watched one a while back on the Oak Island treasure hunt history, which is available at the megasite linked at the bottom of this post. There are regular updates on Roswell research too.

I thought it might be good to have a thread where you can share the most accessible documentary film resources on Fortean subjects to be found, and hopefully downloadable / directly playable, online. Especially given how much is free to view these days.

Here's an extensive online database of a variety of documentaries, with embeded Youtube / Vimeo / etc uploads. I've linked the page on docos focussing on 'Mystery' subjects. There's some cool stuff here.


http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/mystery/
 

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Hmmm.

We don't appear to have a 'Fortean Documentaries'-type thread, so I'll make this it (hence the re-titling): if you come across anything appropriate that's free-to-view on the web, please post the links here (no torrents).
 

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Cheers, WhistlingJack.

BTW, I did a search afterwards and did locate a thread from 2004 here. Interesting how much more exponentially there is available now than there was then. I love Internet 2.
 

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Vice

A Youtube documentary channel with edge. Not a lot of Fortean in there, but something for everyone.
 

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Although those really looking can see Richard Freeman on their documentary about the Olympics (he's talking about the terror in the river Lea)
 

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I found this after I did my posting on C4's Alien Investigations which is on the Ufology page. Should have gone here.
 

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Ufo the untold stories on National Geographic, old fashioned style programme style and mercifully European only sightings. Definitely a cut above.
 

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rynner2 said:
bunnymousekitt said:
Standing With Stones, a documentary about megaliths in the British isles. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL383D32A611C2E70B

It's pretty awesome, I've watched it three or four times by now. :D
Sounds interesting - I've bookmarked it!
I've now watched it. Yes, very thought provoking. The music quietly emphasises the sense of mystery (we really know sweet FA about a lot of this stuff!) without being overpowering.

But I'd not heard of Ballowall Barrow in Cornwall before, so my next project is to visit there. It's near St Just, not Lands End. I think my legs may last the walk there - if I expire there, it seems a good place to be buried!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballowall_Barrow

EDIT2: Since the video dates from 2007, there's no mention of the Ness of Brodgar in Orkney:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... 35#1263535
 

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rynner2 said:
I've now watched it. Yes, very thought provoking. The music quietly emphasises the sense of mystery (we really know sweet FA about a lot of this stuff!) without being overpowering.

But I'd not heard of Ballowall Barrow in Cornwall before, so my next project is to visit there. It's near St Just, not Lands End. I think my legs may last the walk there - if I expire there, it seems a good place to be buried!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballowall_Barrow

EDIT2: Since the video dates from 2007, there's no mention of the Ness of Brodgar in Orkney:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... 35#1263535
Good luck on your visit. Hopefully your legs will hold up and Ballowall Barrow
won't be your final resting place quite yet! :)
 

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The Man Nobody Knew
A doco about CIA director William Colby who commited apparent suicide in 1996. Time Out New York called it a "tour of queasy, morally questionable intelligence endeavors over the last 50 years from the perspective of the spook community’s grand pooh-bah" (source: Wikipedia). This is as good a film as the one made about MacNamara 5 or 6 years ago. Excellent documentaries both.


WARNING: the second half dealing with Vietnam is extremely graphic.


This youtube account also terminated
 

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Last week I watched a doco called The Imposter and found it very disturbing. In 1994, 13 yo Nicholas Barclay disappeared from San Antonio, Texas. He apparently turned up in Spain three years later. What happened after that is truly sad, compelling and so bloody inconceivable that I don't really know what to say about it. What I learned about the capacity for human self-deception is shocking. Be warned, there are no redeeming characters at all in this story. It's very very bleak. I lost a little something of my remaining innocence through the viewing.

The film itself is brilliantly crafted.

Reviews: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_imposter_2012/
 

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skinny said:
Last week I watched a doco called The Imposter and found it very disturbing. ... It's very very bleak. I lost a little something of my remaining innocence through the viewing.
I have that queued up in Netflix. Now I'm afraid to watch it. :( Maybe I can look up the case and read about it instead.
 

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i've seen that, highly enjoyable! :D

All the way through, I was thinking what are they doing! It's obviously not him! :lol:

The reason for the family's acceptance of the imposter is worrying though.
 

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Well, that's good to know. I'll watch it then. I was afraid it would be soul destroying, but if it's more a study of people's motivations... well... that's par for the course in a documentary. ;)
 

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It's one of that new strain of documentaries like Searching for Sugarman or Tabloid which relies on you not knowing too much about a sensational case before you watch it.

I had read about the Imposter case in the FT a few months before I saw it, though the dodginess of the family and their possible reasons for accepting what happened as the truth was new to me. You're supposed to be more shocked than soul-destroyed, I'd say, because by nature you recognise the case is far from common.
 

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I watched Cropsey recently. It was an exploration of an urban legend come true - a murdered child found near an abandoned mental hospital on Staten Island. I liked that it focused more on the community than the murderer. The early 80's were a strange time here because of the shift from mental hospitals to group homes and shelters.

I also liked Girl 27 about a young MGM chorus line dancer in the 30's who was raped during a party for salesman and then was brave enough to go public so the salesman would be prosecuted.

Like Cropsey, this isn't about the rapist, it's about Patricia Douglas herself and it's about us - the type of circumstances that can lead to prosecutors and families selling out. It's about what we believe and how we react to allegations of rape, people in power, and the news.

I've been on a documentary binge lately.
 

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gncxx said:
the case is far from common.
See that's where it diverges from my reality and my framework. I don't care a damn if others cry 'naive' of me. The boy's family were, in one way or another, complicit in his death. They could not face their own corruption, even when the boy had been slaughtered. How could anybody be so willfully blind?
 

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I don't think you're naive, just not jaded. I was about 10 years old when Ted Bundy went to trial and the made-for-TV movie about Kitty Genovese was aired. It changed my point of view about the world. I learned that some murderers can blend in - be handsome even, and people might not come to rescue you if they know you're being murdered.

I got into true crime then because this new awareness me feel vulnerable as a young girl (soon to become a young teen) and I wanted to understand the threat. So, I learned that while some criminals are cunning planners, others only get away with it because a family member or close friend refuses to turn them in.

But you're right to hold onto the belief that there are fewer criminals than good decent sorts. But, maybe it's also good to understand that some nice families may not be as nice as they appear. That some people won't do the right thing unless prodded.
 

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I don't think you're naive

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it's also good to understand that some nice families may not be as nice as they appear. That some people won't do the right thing unless prodded.
Appreciate your attempt to slap me into being there, Gwenar. ;)

No, I'm not naive, that's why I found the doco so brutal. Here's my original point. There's a documented murder and a documented cover-up with no subsequent investigation into THE FAMILY. What TF is wrong with US law that me, not being naive, can see that the mother and sister know a bunch more than they're telling, but no law is being enforced to bring them to justice and account for their duplicity. Is this yet another sad-end of political correctness where the 'feelings' of the apparent aggrieved are now seen to be more worthy than bringing them to account in the murder of this youth?

The reason for the family's acceptance of the imposter is worrying though.
This is at the heart of it. I'm not saying they did him in (they may have), but they definitely know what happened. You don't have to be a seasoned detective to see that. It isn't 'the way of the world' that gets to me, it's the offhand response to the obvious by the authorities. The FBI agent is very clear that she is waaaay suspicious of the two, but waht has happened as a result? What about the boy??! It's too open-ended when there are very obvious implications for the family. The facts:

1. The sister coached the imposter from the very beginning - implying that she knew he could not be the boy himslef, and is clearly complicit in the deception of the authorities. No charges laid or investigation entered into.
2. The mother and sister both helped the imposter to settle into their former child's role back in the US as smoothly as they could. Why? Because they wanted to smother any interest in the investigation. If they were really aggrieved and looking for true closure, they would have howled aloud from the outset. They didn't. Therefore there are, as far as I can see, two main motives for their complicity in deception. Either they were too cut up to challenge the imposter (possible), and their desperation for closure drove them to lie to themselves and avoid any further emotional stress (a mental/emotional self-delusion - plausible). Or, they know what happened to their boy and want to protect themselves and the perpetrator from prosecution, and this bloke was a convenient cover allowing them to avoid any further legal snooping.

In my opinion, the second scenario is the most likely. I think it highly likely that the ex-boyfriend killed the boy and disposed of the body with the mother and sister's knowledge, even encouragement. Why is anybody's guess. But they definitely know what happened.
 

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That's certainly what the documentary makers implied. I feel that we will hear one day what did happen. Perhaps when someone dies or goes to prison, say, and is no longer able to keep others quiet with threats.

Many people are frightened into complicity when they are close to a murderer. Knowing that someone is capable of killing is enough to keep them quiet.

It's easy to say that witnesses should speak out, but if they have been forced to help conceal the crime they are implicated. They would be treated like any other criminal and might not be safe from the actual murderer or the murderer's associates. They are unlikely to take that chance.
 
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