Owzabout That Then? The Jimmy Savile Revelations & Aftermath

[garrick92]

OK, so so far it's come out that Jimmel Fixit has abused kids all over the country, including the Haut de La Garenne childern's home in the Channel Islands. 60 possible victims since 1959, according to the latest as of posting.

A friend of the Thatchers.

A friend of Prince Charles.

And yet apparently free to nonce his way round Britain for decades until finally dead. Former colleagues have spoken of him bribing police officers.

Feel free to speculate on the inevitable 'paedo ring cover up' conspiracy theories here.

 

[Cochise]

I think one can assume he made 'friendships' with powerful people as a form of protection - from their point of view I expect they though of him as just another pushy celeb.

If he couldn't turn on the charm when he needed to then he wouldn't have been in the public eye as he was. To have a career as he had - like other infamous men - he must have been highly intelligent, manipulative and ruthless.

One wonders what the Royal and PM bodyguard/vetting people were doing. I don't think you can blame either the Thatchers or Price Charles for taking him at face value - they won't have been as close to him day to day as, say , his colleagues at the BBC. And I don't suppose either of them would listen to public bar gossip.

 

[rynner2]

This is already being discussed on the Jimmy Savile thread - we don't need another one.

 

[Cochise]

Sorry - thought this might have been about the wider Ickeian issues .

 

[stu neville]

Yes, I think we can go with this. The existing thread purely for the Savile investigation, this one for wider cover-up, bigger picture, aforementioned Icke-isms, etc. If it falls to bits we'll reassess it.

 

[escargot]

I'm not so sure. Names are going to come up. Nobody's going to sue for being called a lizard, but people get a bit touchy about being associated with the other thing.

I can smell a sudden thread-closing a mile off. :lol:

Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Liz Dux is a solicitor who specialises in abuse cases. She is not impressed by this exchange and says that Chinnery should have taken it directly to the Director General as it concerned the criminal act of sexual assault.

Seems that Chinnery's story corroborates the victims' possible claims against the BBC as being 'vicariously liable', ie that they were abused by Savile while he was acting as the BBC's agent.

Sounds like stupidity or at least naivete to me, on Chinnery's part.

Incidentally, a careful reading of Dux' later statements might be revealing. She says that she been asked about compensation by alleged victims only of Savile. To me, that faintly suggests that a victim of alleged abuse by a living person might go direct to the police. We have indeed heard whispers of still-living alleged offenders.

What's that smell?

 

[Novena]

Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Or was it "Nonce Sense" (sorry, I'm channelling Chris Morris today... )

I'm not sure the whole JS thing fits as a proper, dedicated, pre-meditated cover up (except on the part of JS himself, it seems.) It was more like people looking the other way, or just not caring - a conspiracy of apathy, if you like. Still just as bad though.

 

[balding13]

I think it reflects the human instinct not to want to know horrible things. Also, we are very much creatures of habit, as Derren Brown, for example, shows. It is a very rare individual (especially British or Irish) who would acknowledge that the emperor is naked, let alone naked with a young girl. Any of these scandals, from Shoot to Kill, Kincora, North Wales Homes and Hillsborough, all display the same mix of small-scale evil and large-scale obfuscation and burying one's head in the sand.

 

[WhistlingJack]

Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove

OK, so so far it's come out that Jimmel Fixit has abused kids all over the country...

It's been alleged. There's no actual proof as yet.

...including the Haut de La Garenne childern's home in the Channel Islands.

Again, no proof as yet.

Former colleagues have spoken of him bribing police officers.

Yet again, no proof. If there were, those officers would have been charged.

Feel free to speculate on the inevitable 'paedo ring cover up' conspiracy theories here.

As long as you bear the above in mind, then okay. The first instance that someone still-living is named as being involved in any alleged wrongdoing, I'll close the thread myself.

 

[escargot]

Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Or was it "Nonce Sense" (sorry, I'm channelling Chris Morris today...

I thought that too - in fact I heard it in Phil Collins' voice! :lol:

 

[garrick92]

Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove

It's been alleged. There's no actual proof as yet.

Yeah, thanks. There will never be definitive proof, as all the cases are historic in nature and the crime leaves no physical evidence. Well, perhaps DNA but technology wasn't sufficiently advanced in the 1950s/60s/70s.

Perhaps you have some good reason to doubt the victims?

As long as you bear the above in mind, then okay. The first instance that someone still-living is named as being involved in any alleged wrongdoing, I'll close the thread myself.

Calm down dear.

 

[escargot]

We can slander/libel/defame/ Savile as much as we like though, as he's dead.

I for one have no trouble believing that he like to make teenage girls stick their fingers up his bum while masturbating him, having seen him week after week on top Of The Pops surrounding himself with teenage girls, who made him look by comparison not hip and glamorous but old and sleazy.

Other R1 DJs looked wholesome even to a green teenager like me. David 'Diddy' Hamilton was short, Tony Blackburn told awful jokes and Dave Lee Travis, er, had a beard. Can't remember hearing any acandal about them!

 

[JamesWhitehead]

IIRC the notorious Chris Morris show did not feature Savile, though a number of DJs were among those fooled into making ridiculous claims about paedophiles sharing the same genetic code as crabs etc!

Morris did, however, prophetically announce the death of Savile on a radio show in 1994:

That soundclip here

Savile sued, maybe sensing the danger of being dead!

 

[WhistlingJack]

Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove

There will never be definitive proof

Glad you agree.

Perhaps you have some good reason to doubt the victims?

The pertinent point is whether you or any other members of the hysterical mob have good reason to doubt the presumed innocence of someone who hasn't been convicted by a court of law.

Calm down dear.

Don't push it.

 

[Mob1138]

IIRC the notorious Chris Morris show did not feature Savile, though a number of DJs were among those fooled into making ridiculous claims about paedophiles sharing the same genetic code as crabs etc!

Morris did, however, prophetically announce the death of Savile on a radio show in 1994:

That soundclip here

Savile sued, maybe sensing the danger of being dead!

He didn't sue, but he threatened to proceed with legal action so Radio One refused to renew his contract. Effectively Morris was sacked

 

[Mob1138]

Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove

The pertinent point is whether you or any other members of the hysterical mob have good reason to doubt the presumed innocence of someone who hasn't been convicted by a court of law.

And he won't because he's dead. However with the police having over 300 lines of enquiry and the Telegraph revealing that the police actually did investigate him several times over six decades, you have to take the sheer weight of accusations as evidence that Savile was indeed the predatory rapist.

Had the police had this weight of evidence when Savile was alive, then they would be prosecuting, and there will be people within the BBC, the civil service and the government with big questions to answer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ctims.html

 

[JamesWhitehead]

The Digital Spy Forums have some interesting stuff on Savile's voluntary work on pornography with Longford & Whitehouse in 1972.

Some family-related matters are also very curious. :?

 

[Cherrybomb]

Thanks for that link, James. Interesting stuff.

 

[Pietro_Mercurios]

One, amongst the many, of the depressing things about this whole case, is how many more people are going to start believing Icke's crazie fantazie conspiracy guff. He's already been crowing 'I told you so', on the barker's tent front-end of his, pay per view, freak-show of a site.

Of course, Icke believes so much weird stuff, some of it's bound to be true. And, let's face it Icke worked for the BBC, back in the Seventies and Eighties, as well. How much of the Savile rumours and gossip, did he hear back then?

 

[balding13]

One, amongst the many, of the depressing things about this whole case, is how many more people are going to start believing Icke's crazie fantazie conspiracy guff. He's already been crowing 'I told you so', on the barker's tent front-end of his, pay per view, freak-show of a site.

Of course, Icke believes so much weird stuff, some of it's bound to be true. And, let's face it Icke worked for the BBC, back in the Seventies and Eighties, as well. How much of the Savile rumours and gossip, did he hear back then?

Yep, trolling aplenty at the grauniad. Still DI has become a multi-millionare because of his stories.To think I felt compassion when the real-life Alan Partridge that is Titchmarsh, was bullying him on Wogan-lite or whatever it was.

 

[Analogue Boy]

Have you noticed that news footage of him is now desaturated and in slow motion, concentrating on his mad eyes and graspy hands?

 

[stu neville]

Have you noticed that news footage of him is now desaturated and in slow motion, concentrating on his mad eyes and graspy hands?

We're talking about the late Jimmy Savile there. Just thought I'd clarify.

 

[ramonmercado]

Have you noticed that news footage of him is now desaturated and in slow motion, concentrating on his mad eyes and graspy hands?

We're talking about the late Jimmy Savile there. Just thought I'd clarify.

Maybe hes come back as a Zombie.

 

[rynner2]

There seems to be a dearth of info on the "paedo ring cover-up" here...
(Yeah, yeah, if there's no evidence it must be covered up! )

My personal feeling is that JS was a loner, and probably smart enough to understand that although he could generally get away with abusing children (who were too afraid to speak out, or who weren't believed if they did), linking himself to other adult paedos would be taking a much greater risk. With his wealth he could have become a blackmail victim, for example.

This thread just further muddies the already murky waters around JS, IMHO.

 

[tonylovell]

Whatever happened with that home in Jersey? It just seemed to stop, like a book with its last page torn out.

 

[tonylovell]

'In February 2009 States of Jersey Police sent the 'skull' fragment to Kew Gardens in the UK for testing. In May 2009 the Kew experts stated that the fragment was a piece of endocarp of Cocos nucifera, thereby confirming that the fragment was a piece of coconut.'

 

[tonylovell]

'It was suggested that some finds may actually be props from the TV series Bergerac'

 

[Cherrybomb]

I always felt that the story suddenly went quiet. Is there a thread on it?

 

[tonylovell]

I've only scratched the surface but it seems that less happened there than was alleged. ENOUGH happened, I hastened to add, but not to the horror novel proportions we thought.

 

[ramonmercado]

I always felt that the story suddenly went quiet. Is there a thread on it?

Here: http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... ght=jersey