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I read that she had a team of ex UK servicemen as security.
So not at all paranoid then!
So not at all paranoid then!
The mystery husband may be Scott Borgerson. Who is ex military. So he could certainly have hired a few mates.I read that she had a team of ex UK servicemen as security.
So not at all paranoid then!
The mystery husband may be Scott Borgerson. Who is ex military. So he could certainly have hired a few mates.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/15/is-this-ghislaine-maxwells-mystery-husband/amp/
The US coastguard is part of the armed forces. That new york post link calls him british, but there is only references to him being born and educated in america. Course he could have faked an accent to the estate agent. I dont get how you could buy a house under false names? That cant be legal?Is he?
I read he was ex-coastguard.
And the man who sold the property mentioned that they both had British accents. Borgerson is from Boston.
The US coastguard is part of the armed forces. That new york post link calls him british, but there is only references to him being born and educated in america. Course he could have faked an accent to the estate agent. I dont get how you could buy a house under false names? That cant be legal?
She's a millionaire herself after her inheritance from her father and didn't need Epstein's money.
An outright assassination is too obvious. How about a mysterious incident?
I burst out laughing at the tinfoil thing when I heard it on the telly (shouldn't really as the whole thing is deadly serious). Shows how loony this woman is. Yep you're right she's in total denial. I doubt that there's any saving her now.Yup, she wasn't giving up easily.
When the FBI rolled up to arrest her she wouldn't open the front door and was seen through a window running into another room and slamming the door.
When her phone was seized it was found to be 'wrapped in tinfoil in what appeared to be “a seemingly misguided effort to evade detection by law enforcement.”'
I feel that she just literally can't believe she has to face all the trouble she's in.
The fat fucker stole my father's pension (he was a long-time employee of crane-maker Stothert and Pitt in Bath that at one point came under the ownership of Maxwell). I'll be truly delighted if one of the family does time; the sons got off scot-free.Was there any inheritance? That fat fucker robbed pension funds, there should have been no loot to hand on, it should have all gone back in the pot. Every penny.
(Yeah, I know, dream on)
I'm going with that old favourite, the white Fiat Punto. Been a while since it had a run out, but I'm sure it's all oiled and ready to rock.
here is the video.Well that's not creepy at all...
Attorney General Barr was interviewed for TV. The interviewer asked him if he could keep Ghislaine from killing herself in prison.
His answer was "yes <lol>".
Interesting word choice in the title there, hangs.
Well that's not creepy at all...
Attorney General Barr was interviewed for TV. The interviewer asked him if he could keep Ghislaine from killing herself in prison.
His answer was "yes <lol>".
The paedophilia reported in An Open Secret was mainly perpetrated against boys. This made it both more outrageous and harder for the victims to talk about. I seem to remember watching it a year or so ago.
Why do you say it was more outrageous?
buried lede:
"On Thursday, Salas was assigned to handle a class action lawsuit brought against Deutsche Bank by Ali Karimi on behalf of investors who purchased securities from the bank between November 7, 2017, and July 6, 2020. The complaint alleges that the bank "failed to properly monitor customers that the Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein," federal court records show. "
A gunman killed a federal judge's son at her New Jersey home. He appeared to be dressed as a delivery driver, source says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html
You could possibly imagine that you would be safer in prison than on the loose outside in these circumstances. Recent history suggests otherwise of course. Rock and hard place spring to mind. I hope those others who were involved are now requiring a change of underwear every 2 minutes.A year is a long time in unpleasant jail conditions, knowing you are most likely never getting out again. Especially when it is in the best interests of so many powerful people for you to disappear.
Call me skeptical, but...
I don't personally feel it was more outrageous, if that's what you're asking.
The documentary was intended to expose the abuse of young men and boys. This is a big taboo.
Thankfully, in recent years some young men have begun feeling able to come forward and confront men who have abused them. The case of the loathsome Barry Bennell (BBC News link) springs to mind. He abused hundreds of boys, some repeatedly. He'll die in prison.
It could have simply been another one of his blandishments.Apparently in a press conference in the last few days Trump said of GM that he "wished her well" (twice in fact). Wonder if that was some sort of coded message? Having said that Trumpington has been boasting that he recently aced an intelligence test. One of the questions apparently involved the identification of a picture of an elephant (it was a test apparently designed to identify early onset dementia), so perhaps the suggestion of a coded message thing might have been beyond his level. You never know though.
Exactly.We all (well most of us) like superheroes, which are fiction, but we forget there are super villains as well - and they do exist in real life where their motivations tend to rotate about money than world domination (I feel the last couple of words need me to interject some insane laughter)
At the most successful period of my life I had some glimpses of that super-upper-class. I'm very glad I never became part of it. To get there requires more boot-licking and hypocrisy that I would ever have stomached. But at least part of my fall from Grace, as it were, was telling the truth to certain people who didn't want to hear it. At least I got out without being framed, which was the way a person in another very senior position who suffered the same problem - telling the truth to people who didn't want to hear it - was got out of the way.Exactly.
It's a matter of perspective.
If you've been raised in a world where morality is what you define, where money isn't a goal but a reality, where you are surrounded by those who consider personal wealth to be a standard of value, then your morality is almost alien to many others.
Look around the globe, in economics, in politics - wealth equates with power. And power gives wealth. It's an almost inconceivable symbiosis. The bigger the amount, the more divorced from the majority. After all, the gaining of power and wealth is a goal to many ... how you use both depends on your own personality.
GM was born into wealth for wealth's sake. Her morality was dictated by those around her. In effect "we are rich so normal rules do not apply". Now, I for one, do not forgive her for her role in the whole sick affair. Guilty (in law) or not, she is a product of her social setting. Why should she consider herself doing wrong by providing poor children for her wealthy on/off boyfriend? He is rich and the poor are products, to use, abuse or discard. I honestly think she doesn't see - in herself - what she did wrong. If she expresses remorse, it is far from sincere; it's what her legal team told her to express.
Bottom line is there is a super-upper class. For right or wrong, they call the shots because they have shitloads of money, something that represents power in the international world. They've been born into obscene wealth and they look at those without it as ... not them. An alien species. They don't mean to be parasites but we've let them become such.
We - ordinary and 'not rich' - cannot know what it's like to inhabit the super-upper class world. Thus we can't understand the complete disconnect with 'our' world. We might - just might - understand a pervert who likes to have sex with small children. But we really can't understand a section of society who doesn't care about someones perversion ... because "they are one of us". To be brutal, we might accept someone who's a pervert but is rich for 'world domination'. We can't get our head around who is a pervert because they've been raised to see some people as objects ... and are rich.
In short - how can we, ordinary folk, communicate with those who were raised and indoctrinated with the idea that they are not ordinary.
They are elite so rules do not apply.
Or a message that he’s washing his hands and not to expect any help from him.It could have simply been another one of his blandishments.
And this is where perspective is needed. When you get a wealthy person who says "it's reasonable that I pay £80 for breakfast - but you pay for it!" you should question WHY!Bonus fact re Maxwell pere - he once lost £1.5 million in three minutes at the Ambassador Casino in London. He was playing three roulette wheels simultaneously. I mention this merely to give some idea of the scale of money these super-upper-class folk are dealing in.
I'd be seriously upset if I lost £150.
Bonus fact re Maxwell pere - he once lost £1.5 million in three minutes at the Ambassador Casino in London. He was playing three roulette wheels simultaneously. I mention this merely to give some idea of the scale of money these super-upper-class folk are dealing in.
I'd be seriously upset if I lost £150.
And this is where perspective is needed. When you get a wealthy person who says "it's reasonable that I pay £80 for breakfast - but you pay for it!" you should question WHY!