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The Mandela Effect: False Memory

Phew, @Ringo and @Skyrymr. I am so glad you understand what I mean, I was rather worried that it was something unique to me! It's a strange thing, isn't it, but does go some way to showing how 'thoughts' can start to appear as 'memories' - maybe a link to the way adults remember 'seeing# things as children? (Particularly thinking of the poster who 'remembered a cartoon giraffe poking its head under a door, when the adults were talking about a 'draft' coming under the door).
 
Superfluous # in there, sorry.
 
Ringo said:
I have a lot to do today and so I'm obviously surfing Youtube instead. I just got sucked into a Mandela vortex and lost 90 minutes of my life. People claiming that the number of seats in JFK's limo have changed, movie quotes have been altered, scenes from the Matrix are missing etc.

I'm not sure what to think. Time for lunch.
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We saw a 'mandela jfk' video on there not that long ago.. can't make up my mind about the 4-seat / 6-seat thing but I will admit to being surprised at the 'Zapruder' footage this time around because I swear it looked different than last time I'd seen it (and I've seen it a few times over the years so I thought I was familiar with it).
 
Schrodinger's Zebra said:
We saw a 'mandela jfk' video on there not that long ago.. can't make up my mind about the 4-seat / 6-seat thing but I will admit to being surprised at the 'Zapruder' footage this time around because I swear it looked different than last time I'd seen it (and I've seen it a few times over the years so I thought I was familiar with it).
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That one is easily explained. There was a 4 seater Lincoln Continental in the parade. But it wasn't the car that Kennedy was in. LBJ's wife was in there among others. In some instances, this car has been misidentified as JFK's car.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/M Disk/Motorcade Route/Item 15.pdf
 
Kingsize Wombat said:
That one is easily explained. There was a 4 seater Lincoln Continental in the parade. But it wasn't the car that Kennedy was in. LBJ's wife was in there among others. In some instances, this car has been misidentified as JFK's car.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/M Disk/Motorcade Route/Item 15.pdf
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Good point, and I think the problem also lies with people assuming the car had 4 seats because hey, most cars do. :)

Still not sure why the Zapruder footage looked different though; for this I'm not talking about the number of seats (apologies, I realise from re-reading my post that wasn't clear) - it was the frames, and angle of shots that looked different this time around. For example there was a view from a different vantage point on the footage that I had not seen on earlier viewings.
 
Schrodinger's Zebra said:
Still not sure why the Zapruder footage looked different though; for this I'm not talking about the number of seats (apologies, I realise from re-reading my post that wasn't clear) - it was the frames, and angle of shots that looked different this time around. For example there was a view from a different vantage point on the footage that I had not seen on earlier viewings.
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Perhaps it's the other way around? You previous viewings had been influenced by the Zeitgeist and various stills, discussions etc, and this time you really looked at it.
 
Coal said:
Perhaps it's the other way around? You previous viewings had been influenced by the Zeitgeist and various stills, discussions etc, and this time you really looked at it.
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I too seem to remember the Zapruder footage as being on a different angle. This time we seemed closer to and more above the car (as oppossed to being further away and lower down). But as Coal mentioned, I think selective attention is responsible. I don't subscribe o the Mandela effect here.

One thing that did seem odd however, was how long the view of the Kennedys was obscured by the road sign. JFK emerges from behind it already clutching his throat. The first shot got him whilst he was obscured from view. I don't remember it like that, I thought it happened just as he was emerging.
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Time to bump one of the greatest Creepypastas ever.
The truly inspired and chilling account of imprecise shared memories of a children's programme.
If you haven't read it, you're in for a real treat.
I give you ... Candle Cove:

http://www.creepypasta.org/creepypasta/candle-cove
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Is the original thread/story supposed to be real or is creepypasta just made up stories that people pretend are real for the fun of freaking themselves out?
 
Ringo said:
Is the original thread/story supposed to be real or is creepypasta just made up stories that people pretend are real for the fun of freaking themselves out?
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You mean you don't remember watching Candle Cove?

With Creepypastas it's the uncertainty about whether the spooky tales contain a grain of truth that makes them so compelling.

Ted the Caver is another good example. That even spawned a movie - Living Dark, which claimed to be based on true events.
 
OK. I'm deep down the rabbit hole now with the Mandela effect.

Anyone heard the one about Star Trek TNG? I used to watch this program every day. I was a huge fan. Now apparently, Picard had a large clear crystal which he was constantly playing with. If not in his hands, then on his desk or someone else would be holding it. Anyone remember that?
 
Ringo said:
OK. I'm deep down the rabbit hole now with the Mandela effect.

Anyone heard the one about Star Trek TNG? I used to watch this program every day. I was a huge fan. Now apparently, Picard had a large clear crystal which he was constantly playing with. If not in his hands, then on his desk or someone else would be holding it. Anyone remember that?
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It apparently appeared in 78 episodes but I never noticed it (and just asked - neither does Mrs Tribble). Maybe I'm from one of the realities where it didn't appear.

https://www.alternatememories.com/historical-events/tv/star-trek-picard-s-crystal

(At first I thought your memory was inspired by Sisko's baseball but no... Wonder if other captains had desk toys?)
 
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I wondered if this was a genuine thing we hadn't noticed/forgotten or whether someone has put one in with CGI, replacing those little flat screen/pad things they used to have?
 
Ringo said:
I wondered if this was a genuine thing we hadn't noticed/forgotten or whether someone has put one in with CGI, replacing those little flat screen/pad things they used to have?
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PADDs. You reckon they'd replace ~78 instances of Picard and others toying with a PADD like a fidget toy, including changing hand positions and shadows, just to mess with us?
More likely it's redirection. We're too focused on faces and dialogue to notice the little details.
 
Tribble said:
PADDs. You reckon they'd replace ~78 instances of Picard and others toying with a PADD like a fidget toy, including changing hand positions and shadows, just to mess with us?
More likely it's redirection. We're too focused on faces and dialogue to notice the little details.
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No, you misunderstood me. I should have wrote that "I wondered at first" if it was just a fake video (it showed about 10 instances of the crystal) until I read about the 78 episodes.
 
Ringo said:
OK. I'm deep down the rabbit hole now with the Mandela effect.

Anyone heard the one about Star Trek TNG? I used to watch this program every day. I was a huge fan. Now apparently, Picard had a large clear crystal which he was constantly playing with. If not in his hands, then on his desk or someone else would be holding it. Anyone remember that?
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Don't remember that.
 
EnolaGaia said:
I remember it.
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I certainly don't recall this.

However, evidently, not a false memory at all!

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Ringo said:
I too seem to remember the Zapruder footage as being on a different angle. This time we seemed closer to and more above the car (as oppossed to being further away and lower down). But as Coal mentioned, I think selective attention is responsible. I don't subscribe o the Mandela effect here.

One thing that did seem odd however, was how long the view of the Kennedys was obscured by the road sign. JFK emerges from behind it already clutching his throat. The first shot got him whilst he was obscured from view. I don't remember it like that, I thought it happened just as he was emerging.
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Yes! Yes! And thrice Yes!

That's the thing I was trying (badly) to convey, the road sign! Exactly it, the road sign shots were never there before when I'd previously viewed the footage. Perhaps the frames were missing from whatever version I'd seen, but that somehow doesn't explain it. It's different now.
 
Schrodinger's Zebra said:
Yes! Yes! And thrice Yes!

That's the thing I was trying (badly) to convey, the road sign! Exactly it, the road sign shots were never there before when I'd previously viewed the footage. Perhaps the frames were missing from whatever version I'd seen, but that somehow doesn't explain it. It's different now.
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I remember the road sign suddenly appearing too - but maybe we got familiar with a reconstruction - like the JFK movie or something?
 
sherbetbizarre said:
I remember the road sign suddenly appearing too - but maybe we got familiar with a reconstruction - like the JFK movie or something?
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Ah another one! :)

I've not seen a JFK movie (only ever seen JFK youtube videos) but I've always thought I was watching 'Zapruder Footage' (among other footage, I believe there's others?) It's definitely not a reconstruction in my mind, it's definitely the real JFK / Jackie / etc, not actors.

It's almost as if the new footage is enhanced too (picture quality like) - cos I always remember I could manage to watch the footage because it wasn't too gory (I don't like gory). But I'm sure when I saw this last, and there was suddenly the new / changed parts (road sign etc) the actual incident was more detailed too, more gory than it ever was.

Could it be that someone has cleaned up / enhanced the footage (which would explain the extra gory-ness) but additionally found new frames that were somehow lost before? Would this explain it? Would it explain the differences though? Things can like quite different depending on the quality of the footage sometimes. Not sure it would explain a suddenly appearing road sign though, or the differing angle?

(Sorry, I'm just conversing with myself in my head here :D)

Thoughts? Who on here is very familiar with the Zapruder footage?
 
Schrodinger's Zebra said:
Ah another one! :)

I've not seen a JFK movie (only ever seen JFK youtube videos) but I've always thought I was watching 'Zapruder Footage' (among other footage, I believe there's others?) It's definitely not a reconstruction in my mind, it's definitely the real JFK / Jackie / etc, not actors.

It's almost as if the new footage is enhanced too (picture quality like) - cos I always remember I could manage to watch the footage because it wasn't too gory (I don't like gory). But I'm sure when I saw this last, and there was suddenly the new / changed parts (road sign etc) the actual incident was more detailed too, more gory than it ever was.

Could it be that someone has cleaned up / enhanced the footage (which would explain the extra gory-ness) but additionally found new frames that were somehow lost before? Would this explain it? Would it explain the differences though? Things can like quite different depending on the quality of the footage sometimes. Not sure it would explain a suddenly appearing road sign though, or the differing angle?

(Sorry, I'm just conversing with myself in my head here :D)

Thoughts? Who on here is very familiar with the Zapruder footage?
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There are some frames that were edited out but I’m not aware they have ever been put back?
 
While false memories are usuallu given as a convenient explanation for the Mandela effect, I believe that it mssing important sides of the phenomenon. We know how it can be really frustrating to trace a book, a film or a TV series episode (notably in the case of old SF-fantasy anthologies which looked more or less the same, a feature illustrated in the recent X-Files episode The lost art of Forehead Sweat). The thread on false memories had provided an example of a so-called false memory that wasn't, of a TV version of The Godfather. Had I not watched it in 2004, maybe it would be still considered here as a valid example.

The problem is even worse with logos and brands. Much is made of research by company historians, but they have serious limitations when it comes to state that it is definitely impossible that somebody saw in a distant past a different version of a given logo. Records are often incomplete, who could record every instance of the use of a logo along many decades around the world, including local mistakes or initiatives in obscure ad campaigns ?And even if they are not, specialists of the history of a company may miss some significant parts of it. They comprise of thousands of pages, and it's very easy to miss something. We should add reproductions of known brands in fiction, and sometimes counterfeiting, which could account for many memories of 'innacurate' logos.

I have an amusing example of mine. It is not of a false memory, but of how we could have very different perceptions of the world. Under the title Goldorak, Japanese anime UFO Robot Grendizer was a huge success in France and other countries in the late 70s and the 80s. The airing was orregular, and while the first episodes aired in July 1978, I had always believed that the last ones had only in the Fall of 1983. It was a hot topic at school, so I couldn't imagine that it could be otherwise, as the last aired episode was always heavily discussed. However, I read sometimes that the last episodes had aired in October 1980, which I dismissed as bad journalism. Nonetheless, later on the web I found that a number of old viewers were claiming that they had watched them in October 1980, at a slot that was filled when completed by a new airing of the then successfull Japanese live series San Ku Kaï (Uchu kara no messeji : Ginga taisen, also known internationnally as Message from space: Galactic battle, Message from space TV Series or Sankuokai) shortly before All Hallows' Eve. They were quite adamant at that, but I was also reinforced in my opinion by the fact that other posters and a number of magazines were of the same opinion than me. However, it was found that the archives from the INA (the French Institute for the audiosual media), which record all airings on every resort, state that the last episodes had indeed aired in October 1980. I can't explain how I could have missed them with nobody mentionning them to me, and how many others could have been mistaken in the same way, especially as I had a clear recollection of the said re-airing of San ku Kaï, as it had allowed me to watch the first episode that I had partially missed. As another poster involved in the discussion had said, sometimes, we seem to live in parrallel universes !
 
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Is the infamous Thunderbird photograph an example of a complete universe shift? Or has "the man" successfully erased it from existance?
 
Monstrosa said:
Undamaged Zapruder Film
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Thanks... that's certainly the footage I saw the last time I saw it. But some of the angles are all wrong for how I remember it being, all the times I watched it before (plus the road sign which just never was there before).

When I have more time on my hands I shall have to dig deeper into this I think.
 
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