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Time Or Dimensional Slips

Aydee_Aitchdee said:
If I remember right, isn't that what the Norse believed? That if you died of illness/old age you went to Hel and more or less continued life, just in a new place.

May have remembered it wrong...
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It appears so, even in the extreme.
Another one from the paranormal database;

Headless Airman wanting Lift​


Location: Hadstock (Essex) - The B1052 leading into Hadstock
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Unknown
Further Comments: After losing his head in a flying accident, the apparition of an American pilot has been seen thumbing a lift on the roadside.
 
Random thought:

Do we think it's correct - or not - to ascribe human motivations to ghosts such as roadside ones? If not, if we think that 'consciousness' is actually beyond them, then surely this hints that the occurences are time slips and not hauntings?
 
Steven said:
Random thought:

Do we think it's correct - or not - to ascribe human motivations to ghosts such as roadside ones? If not, if we think that 'consciousness' is actually beyond them, then surely this hints that the occurences are time slips and not hauntings?
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Motivations, but not necessarily human ones. I think whatever haunts Blue Bell Hill was never human. I just don't go for timeslips at all.
 
SimonBurchell said:
Two of my ghost experiences indicate some level of awareness and interaction. In Warnford church, the feeling of hostility was palpable, and something invisible shouted angrily at me. Likewise, in the haunted house I lived in, while not hostility, the sense of presence was overwhelming, often driving me from my bedroom - but there were also household sounds that came from the kitchen, misplaced objects etc. These do not seem to be timeslips, and indicate some form of discarnate entity (from our point of view). I think these entities may exist in some kind of dreamlike state, not completely aware in the same way that a living person is, but sometimes able to interact.
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I don't think all ghost encounters are timeslips and I agree that some poor souls are locked in to a dream state unable to move on or reincarnate, the whole subject is fascinating

On the subject of timeslips there does seem to be more reporting of them with the advent of Social Media I happen to think that they are a lot more common and often go unnoticed most of the time
 
Robbrent said:
I don't think all ghost encounters are timeslips and I agree that some poor souls are locked in to a dream state unable to move on or reincarnate, the whole subject is fascinating

On the subject of timeslips there does seem to be more reporting of them with the advent of Social Media I happen to think that they are a lot more common and often go unnoticed most of the time
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I think my reasons for not generally accepting them are multiple:

1. The "best" cases have either been shown to be mistakes, or have come out of Liverpool, polluted by Tom Slemen's input.

2. They seem to be an anglophone phenomenon. Certainly, the stuff I've seen in Spanish comes from UK or UK-linked reports.

3. My personal experience of ghosts.

Of course, this doesn't mean I will never be pursuaded, but for the time being I am just not happy with the reports actually representing timeslips.
 
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SimonBurchell said:
I think my reasons for not generally accepting them are multiple:

1. The "best" cases have either been shown to be mistakes, or have come out of Liverpool, polluted by Tom Slemen's input.

2. They seem to be an anglophone phenomenon. Certainly, the stuff I've seen in Spanish come from UK or UK-linked reports.

3. My personal experience of ghosts.

Of course, this doesn't mean I will never be pursuaded, but for the time being I am just not happy with the reports actually representing timeslips.
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I think way down in the depths of this thread there was a point made by me as to this being reported only from the English speaking world, and if I remember correct someone did bring up several instances of it happening all over the world

However we are on an English language forum would not you expect that the majority of reports would be in English from English speaking countries ?

Then again speaking for the UK acre by acre it does appear to be a very strange group of Islands
 
Robbrent said:
I think way down in the depths of this thread there was a point made by me as to this being reported only from the English speaking world, and if I remember correct someone did bring up several instances of it happening all over the world

However we are on an English language forum would not you expect that the majority of reports would be in English from English speaking countries ?

Then again speaking for the UK acre by acre it does appear to be a very strange group of Islands
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Well, I'm bilingual in Spanish and have my Spanish language Fortean books, and what I've looked at online, and can read Portuguese well enough, and I've not found anything to note in either of those languages. The only Spanish-language account, from Argentina, that was pointed out was more of a time lapse (alien abduction style) than a time slip.
 
We need to get Tom to join this forum and give his side of the whole timeslip phenomenon.
He's on the Liverpool Echo payroll and I just checked out their website.
Sadly, it doesn't include a contact link for Tom.
If Tom has been Googling timeslips or even his own name though, there's a fair chance that he would find some hits linking to this forum.
So how about it Tom? Why not sign up for an account, as there are many people here fascinated by this phenomenon and would love to hear some details straight from the horse's mouth as it were! (unless you're already here under a pseudonym!).

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SimonBurchell said:
I think my reasons for not generally accepting them are multiple:

1. The "best" cases have either been shown to be mistakes, or have come out of Liverpool, polluted by Tom Slemen's input.

2. They seem to be an anglophone phenomenon. Certainly, the stuff I've seen in Spanish comes from UK or UK-linked reports.

3. My personal experience of ghosts.

Of course, this doesn't mean I will never be pursuaded, but for the time being I am just not happy with the reports actually representing timeslips.
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It is probably worth reminding ourselves here of "time storms" v "time-slips"

Jenny Randles coined the term "time storms" in her book of the same name and these are often multiple-witness events in which a strange mist/cloud/fog is encountered (sometimes green) and then the witnesses come around minutes or hours later, are usually ill and cannot account for the lost time. Often such events were considered to be UFO abductions, such as:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/the-aveley-abductions.70684/

However, Randles states that when the Aveley witnesses and others are put under hypnosis they invariably conjured up fantastical, dream-like tales of sci-fi aliens and in the case of multiple-witnesses each account was different. Therefore Randles, who up until then had been a firm believer in alien visitations, came to realise these weren't abductions but some sort of altered consciousness brought on by the cloud/mist that may have been a rare natural phenomenon or something paranormal. An interview with Jenny on this subject:

https://archive.org/details/Project_Red_Book_vol_4_no_8/page/n6/mode/1up

Time-slips are of course the stuff of Mr Slemen's dreams and differ in that the experiencer find s themselves in the past (or, more rarely, the future) either for a brief moment or a longer period

Have to say there have been far more credible, multiple-witness time storm events that have been researched and, crucially we have witness names etc. Therefore, you can make an argument for their existence, whereas time-slips are so intriguing but so overwhelmingly single-witness events and we rarely actually know who those witnesses were (beyond first names).
 
Aydee_Aitchdee said:
If we could make sense of it, this would be a very boring forum....but I get your frustration. It's hard to wrangle your belief in something when it just doesn't make any sense to begin with.
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That's me trying to negotiate my way through life that is.
 
One common element to all these stories is submerged nostalgia. Going back to the 60s is to go back to a time when Liverpool was a cultural hot property, while going back to a vague "Quality Street tin" period is to return to the 19th century, when it was one of the wealthiest cities in the UK and indeed the Empire (there was once a lot of money there: people forget that Liverpool generally voted Tory until as late as the 1930s).
 
BS3 said:
One common element to all these stories is submerged nostalgia. Going back to the 60s is to go back to a time when Liverpool was a cultural hot property, while going back to a vague "Quality Street tin" period is to return to the 19th century, when it was one of the wealthiest cities in the UK and indeed the Empire (there was once a lot of money there: people forget that Liverpool generally voted Tory until as late as the 1930s).
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You are quite right (but I thought they voted Liberal) it's a shame that the Bold Street tales have been muddied by the hands of TS, it's City steeped in history and is far older than many Cities in the UK but there is a lesson to be learnt here, and to me it's that very many well known mystery book fodder is simply not true, and turn out to be works of fiction published as fact

Timeslips seem to be in vouge at the moment which brings many pitfalls

Fortean phenomena is a minefield full of blind ally's and traps for the unwary researcher
 
Robbrent said:
You are quite right (but I thought they voted Liberal) it's a shame that the Bold Street tales have been muddied by the hands of TS, it's City steeped in history and is far older than many Cities in the UK but there is a lesson to be learnt here, and to me it's that very many well known mystery book fodder is simply not true, and turn out to be works of fiction published as fact

Timeslips seem to be in vouge at the moment which brings many pitfalls

Fortean phenomena is a minefield full of blind ally's and traps for the unwary researcher
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A problem with have with time-slips is the lack of a British Time-Slip Research Association that would operate as did of BUFORA did for UFOs back in the 70's to 90's-ish and actively research cases and write them up in a journal along with with witness interviews, site maps etc.

Yrs, there are some famous cases with named witnesses from the pre-internet era (Gary Numan, Versailles, French hotel) but nowadays 90+% of time-slip reports seem to originate on the internet from anonymous sources and very often without specifying the exact date and location. In this respect it is a great shame that Danny (Uncanny) hasn't devoted more time to time-slips as he has the resources and visibility to find and interview witnesses etc.
 
Aydee_Aitchdee said:
I'm sorry, what? Here in my car I feel safest of all....that Gary Numan?
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Yes, that ('Cars', 'Are Friends Electric', er, 'Cars' released again) Gary Numan.

If it's the one I'm thinking of then the story goes that him and and a mate saw an old bloke in a long grey coat in a Tube station; the old bloke vanished apparently into a wall. Personally I'm not sure what makes this a time slip rather than an old-fashioned ghost story, but oh well.
 
BS3 said:
Yes, that ('Cars', 'Are Friends Electric', er, 'Cars' released again) Gary Numan.

If it's the one I'm thinking of then the story goes that him and and a mate saw an old bloke in a long grey coat in a Tube station; the old bloke vanished apparently into a wall. Personally I'm not sure what makes this a time slip rather than an old-fashioned ghost story, but oh well.
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I tried to google it but just kept getting Youtube Lyrics videos :D
 
Spudrick68 said:
"there's a man outside, in a long coat grey hat smoking a cigarette" .From Are Friends Electric. I wonder if Numans experience influenced this lyric.
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https://www.songfacts.com/facts/gary-numan/are-friends-electric

Speaking to Dutch TV NTR, Numan said the song is about a robot prostitute and had the BBC known at the time, they wouldn't have playlisted it. "It was a futurist version of getting pornography in the post, what comes in a brown envelope so your neighbors don't know what it is," he explained. "These machines that look human are doing various services in these grey coats and they all look the same."

"If the BBC had known what it was about they would never have played it," Numan added, "They would never have let me go on Top of the Pops. Thumbs up for obscure lyrics."
 
Aydee_Aitchdee said:
I'm sorry, what? Here in my car I feel safest of all....that Gary Numan?
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@Aydee_Aitchdee

"When Gary Numan was 15, he saw a ghost, and the experience of that few moments has coloured songs and influenced a couple of record covers too.
He was on his way to buy his first guitar with a friend, and they were some of the last passengers to leave the train at Piccadilly Circus and walk through the station.
The was an old man in front of them dressed in a long coat and a trilby hat and as the two boys chatted they walked after him: he seemed to know the way.
As they followed him round the corner they briefly lost sight of him and found themselves alone in a part of the walkway that had been blocked off years earlier.
The old man in a hat had completely vanished into thin air.
Gary Numan references the ghost in the lyrics of 'Are 'Friends' Electric
"there's a man outside
in a long coat, grey hat, smoking a cigarette"
The covers of I, Assassin and Dance also feature Numan in the clothes of the ghost they saw that day.
A proper cultural hauntation !
Thanks to Anna Smith for the nod to this. You can hear Numan talk about it on BBC Radio 6"

https://www.facebook.com/ANaturalHi...nce-of-that-few-moments-has/2020418211341032/

Many different sources for this but he has talked about it in interviews so not an urban legend or whatever
 
Getting back to the main subject, I do get the feeling like an awful lot of the well-known pre-internet time slips have either been provided with plausible explanations or at the very least had holes knocked in the story. Versailles has had a potential explanation for 50 years now. As we saw the French hotel one started to fall apart under close examination on this very board, as did the Bampton, Devon one (thanks to the observations in https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/four-famous-time-slips-explained-by-physics.63398/post-1729640). What are we left with? Kersey?
 
Paul_Exeter said:
@Aydee_Aitchdee

"When Gary Numan was 15, he saw a ghost, and the experience of that few moments has coloured songs and influenced a couple of record covers too.
He was on his way to buy his first guitar with a friend, and they were some of the last passengers to leave the train at Piccadilly Circus and walk through the station.
The was an old man in front of them dressed in a long coat and a trilby hat and as the two boys chatted they walked after him: he seemed to know the way.
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Thanks much, great story. Tricorn hats were popular in the 1700s, wasn't it? Why is a ghost dressed in clothing of the 1700s wandering around a 20th century tube station?
 
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