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Missing In Action: Members Who've Gone Silent / Haven't Been Seen For Some Time

I'll miss Trev as well but the mods do an incredible job of keeping this place civilised and if you repeatedly ignore their efforts to get you to modify your approach I guess the outcome is inevitable.

I don't use any other forums so to anyone still in touch via other means please pass on a farewell and best wishes from me.
 
I'll miss Trev as well but the mods do an incredible job of keeping this place civilised and if you repeatedly ignore their efforts to get you to modify your approach I guess the outcome is inevitable.

I don't use any other forums so to anyone still in touch via other means please pass on a farewell and best wishes from me.
I've just sent him your message X.
 
But I also understand the way changes here have had to be made due to the apparently ever-increasing rancour and intolerance attached to discussion of political or cultural differences, and I have certainly adjusted what I post and the way I post it bearing that in mind, even though i miss some of the arguments and banter that used to result.
Ultimately, they're not what we're here for. You have indeed adapted your approach - many have, proving it's not by any means impossible. Perhaps though we have said it repeatedly, it's worth repeating that when one section of the board, or subject area, or topic starts absorbing 75% of our attention and energy - and always for the wrong reasons - then we have to examine whether it belongs on this board. Culture wars don't. It's a simple concept, and we do try hard to help some understand it. Some just don't, wilfully or otherwise, and we only let out so much rope.
 
I must admit it amused me that on Sunday he was moaning about his temporary ban, suspecting someone had reported his post:
somebody took exception to my explanation and 'put their hand up' ("Sir.....Sir.....Trevp said something I don't like!”)

Then later in the very same post he was moaning that he couldn’t do exactly the same thing himself about others. He admitted he had previously been advised that he was

'vexatiously reporting’ things

For the record, I have never initiated a complaint to the mods about anyone or anything. I have received a telling off on occasions.

I’d be very surprised if I haven’t been the subject of complaints by him to the mods.

Hey ho.
 
Ultimately, they're not what we're here for. You have indeed adapted your approach - many have, proving it's not by any means impossible.

As I've mentioned in conversations with the mods (including your good self I believe), the easy solution would be to permit only the kind of genuinely Fortean topics that would typically be found in the magazine.
I've been in trouble for expressing my honest opinions about Putin and his armed forces on the Ukraine thread and, more recently, regarding paedophiles/grooming.
If the forum must encompass non-Fortean topics, which will understandably provoke strong feelings, it seems harsh to sanction members for expressing them.
I too have adapted my approach, by no longer participating in the Ukraine thread since my ban, no matter how much ongoing news reports about the war truly upset me. As the forum means so much to me, it's probably wise for me to avoid any threads about paedophiles too.
So, FWIW, my recommendation for a more harmonious Fortean forum would be to remove threads with no Fortean content and which will, inevitably, touch on culture and politics (with the possible comedic free-for-all of the humour thread - and maybe Cromer too, to keep Swifty happy!).
 
the easy solution would be to permit only the kind of genuinely Fortean topics that would typically be found in the magazine.

Most members don't have a problem with the current situation though and it seems harsh to restrict the majority becuase some people can't manage thier forum use as you do, or stick people on ignore as I do, for example.

My experience with online communities is that if the only Fortean line was held then traffic would decrease, posting would decrease and the Fortean sections would suffer. YMMV of course :)
 
Just feels plain wrong to me ignoring fellow forumists.
My natural inclination would be to engage with them in conversation.

Agreed. But for the posts which obviously break forum rules and are going to attract the Mod Hammer? I need to not see them or I will join in :rollingw:

I do the ignore (only one person on that list for me now) BECAUSE the natural inclination is to engage with them in conversation.
 
It's natural and human to engage people in conversation.

Problem is the usual one with the internet; it makes it very easily possible for otherwise reasonable people to say or express things they would never say to someone's face or down the pub, or to do so without self reflection.

It didn't take long for certain political actors to realise and harness this and as a result the amount of strident, divisive horse manure in public discourse is off the scale.

Seriously, best to leave well alone, I think. Don't do their work for them.
 
As I've mentioned in conversations with the mods (including your good self I believe), the easy solution would be to permit only the kind of genuinely Fortean topics that would typically be found in the magazine.
I've been in trouble for expressing my honest opinions about Putin and his armed forces on the Ukraine thread and, more recently, regarding paedophiles/grooming.
If the forum must encompass non-Fortean topics, which will understandably provoke strong feelings, it seems harsh to sanction members for expressing them.
I too have adapted my approach, by no longer participating in the Ukraine thread since my ban, no matter how much ongoing news reports about the war truly upset me. As the forum means so much to me, it's probably wise for me to avoid any threads about paedophiles too.
So, FWIW, my recommendation for a more harmonious Fortean forum would be to remove threads with no Fortean content and which will, inevitably, touch on culture and politics (with the possible comedic free-for-all of the humour thread - and maybe Cromer too, to keep Swifty happy!).
I don't agree. This is a community, and there should be some leeway.

But said leeway shouldn't keep repeatedly impinging on serious discussions, which i think was Trev's problem. I think confining chat / mainstream stuff to members was very wise, but I'd think the forum was very diminished if all off topic conversation was banned.

The difference between here and the mag is that we are an interactive community, and to some extent friends, or at least with some degree of mutual regard.
 
I don't agree. This is a community, and there should be some leeway.
Which kind of proves my point, Cochise!
And thank you for discussing this with me, rather than putting me on ignore!
As for the inclusion of serious discussions, maybe I'm totally out of step with most forumists on this point, but when it came to Russia's horrific invasion of Ukraine which, let's face it, is about as deadly serious a non-Fortean topic you could think of, I felt that opening the thread invited me, as one of this forum's members, to contribute my honest feelings on the topic. Clearly that was deemed unacceptable though. Which beggars the question, why have a thread about such a serious geo-political topic, but then sanction forum members for describing in all honesty how they felt about the matter?
 
Which kind of proves my point, Cochise!
And thank you for discussing this with me, rather than putting me on ignore!
As for the inclusion of serious discussions, maybe I'm totally out of step with most forumists on this point, but when it came to Russia's horrific invasion of Ukraine which, let's face it, is about as deadly serious a non-Fortean topic you could think of, I felt that opening the thread invited me, as one of this forum's members, to contribute my honest feelings on the topic. Clearly that was deemed unacceptable though. Which beggars the question, why have a thread about such a serious geo-political topic, but then sanction forum members for describing in all honesty how they felt about the matter?
The thing is, not everyone agrees on these issues, and these days disagreement seems, for whatever reason, to rapidly become acrimonious. i knew that particular topic would spiral out of control and avoided after very early on.

I'm not a mod, and could never be. I don't have to justify their actions, but broadly i agree with the difficult course they have steered.
 
Most members don't have a problem with the current situation though and it seems harsh to restrict the majority becuase some people can't manage thier forum use as you do, or stick people on ignore as I do, for example.

My experience with online communities is that if the only Fortean line was held then traffic would decrease, posting would decrease and the Fortean sections would suffer. YMMV of course :)
Yup, there was a rule early on that the Limericks were only to feature Fortean themes. We soon ran out of UFOs and sea monsters so more traditional* topics began to emerge.

*Innuendo and occasionally pure filth.
 
I agree with several of you regarding avoiding threads or posts that I see can possibly go the wrong way.

There are times that I want to respond to a personal viewpoint, but realize that my post could continue to drag the original thread to where we all don't want to go.

Not that I am going to personally attack someone, but only that me continuing with the engagement can lead others into digging a hole.

Written words do not have the ability to really express what we mean. It takes a lot of thought to ensure that they are as clear as possible for those who read them. We don't know who will read them, so I try to eliminate as much ambiguity to my comments as possible.

I also won't "like" some posts for the simple fact that some people take that button to mean "I agree". It too is very ambiguous. My use of the like button means that I acknowledge your contribution.
 
I agree with several of you regarding avoiding threads or posts that I see can possibly go the wrong way.

There are times that I want to respond to a personal viewpoint, but realize that my post could continue to drag the original thread to where we all don't want to go.

Not that I am going to personally attack someone, but only that me continuing with the engagement can lead others into digging a hole.

Written words do not have the ability to really express what we mean. It takes a lot of thought to ensure that they are as clear as possible for those who read them. We don't know who will read them, so I try to eliminate as much ambiguity to my comments as possible.

I also won't "like" some posts for the simple fact that some people take that button to mean "I agree". It too is very ambiguous. My use of the like button means that I acknowledge your contribution.
Well put. I am also always very careful to try to word anything I post as clearly as possible so I can't be misunderstood or misrepresented (often using brackets like this to clarify something) - but there have been occasions when I've been picked up by others who see something in what I've written to pick up on. It is difficult not to engage when that happens, but if I do respond I will usually endeavour to just politely re-clarify what I meant, and leave it at that. No point in picking up the baton and running with it. Life's too short.
 
I agree with several of you regarding avoiding threads or posts that I see can possibly go the wrong way.

There are times that I want to respond to a personal viewpoint, but realize that my post could continue to drag the original thread to where we all don't want to go.

Not that I am going to personally attack someone, but only that me continuing with the engagement can lead others into digging a hole.

Written words do not have the ability to really express what we mean. It takes a lot of thought to ensure that they are as clear as possible for those who read them. We don't know who will read them, so I try to eliminate as much ambiguity to my comments as possible.

I also won't "like" some posts for the simple fact that some people take that button to mean "I agree". It too is very ambiguous. My use of the like button means that I acknowledge your contribution.

I get what you say, very well :) Your posts are alway well considered and a pleasure to read.

I resist the temptation to respond or engage as much as I can, but snark and slurs and blanket statements really get my proverbial goat (or ghost?!).

In a vaguely contentious (or topic liable to derail) I try to express myself in terms of the topic, framing assertions as my own opinion, include sources for statements and really try to be even-handed. But even I managed to get a partial deletion of a name on one of my posts about the world has gorn mad, because it was of a politician (sorry Mods!).

Edited to add: some posters obviously (to me, anyhow) have certain metaphorical axes to grind or prejudices to express, ignoring those steely edges is hard :)
 
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I get what you say, very well :) Your posts are alway well considered and a pleasure to read.

I resist the temptation to respond or engage as much as I can, but snark and slurs and blanket statements really get my proverbial goat (or ghost?!).
Thank you, and I try:)

I have directly (in thread) called a few posts out, though rarely. They tend to be people that I have read many of their posts and so understand, hopefully, their online personality. I use these only as an admonishment. I do believe most people here just don't see, at the moment of posting, how things can be misconstrued.

Have I mentioned that I'm the eldest in my family? I can't help being the big sister sometimes:)
 
Thank you, and I try:)

I have directly (in thread) called a few posts out, though rarely. They tend to be people that I have read many of their posts and so understand, hopefully, their online personality. I use these only as an admonishment. I do believe most people here just don't see, at the moment of posting, how things can be misconstrued.

Have I mentioned that I'm the eldest in my family? I can't help being the big sister sometimes:)
Eldest, i feel your pain. You are natural Mod material if you ever want to go that way. I am middle child and i want everybody to get along, so there are threads i have to just not read. Or if i do by accident i have to go to Humour and Jokes for a while
 
Eldest, i feel your pain. You are natural Mod material if you ever want to go that way. I am middle child and i want everybody to get along, so there are threads i have to just not read. Or if i do by accident i have to go to Humour and Jokes for a while
I'm 'the youngest', or the baby of the family, so I find it hard to take anything too seriously because it is always someone else's responsibility. So I would definitely not be Mod material.

That said, I never felt that I was over-indulged or mollycoddled (I don't think I've ever used that word before). But neither was I picked on. But I learned how to graciously accept defeat when playing games, because I usually lost (unless it was Scrabble).
 
I'm 'the youngest', or the baby of the family, so I find it hard to take anything too seriously because it is always someone else's responsibility. So I would definitely not be Mod material.

That said, I never felt that I was over-indulged or mollycoddled (I don't think I've ever used that word before). But neither was I picked on. But I learned how to graciously accept defeat when playing games, because I usually lost (unless it was Scrabble).
If you are the youngest then you’re spoilt, you just ask your siblings!
 
I'm 'the youngest', or the baby of the family, so I find it hard to take anything too seriously because it is always someone else's responsibility. So I would definitely not be Mod material.
I’m number 4 of 6 so have got to play little brother when it suited the elders, i.e., babysitting, and big brother when one of the younger two have managed to get themselves in some sort of trouble.
Bit in the middle really, neither here or there.
 
Agreed. But for the posts which obviously break forum rules and are going to attract the Mod Hammer? I need to not see them or I will join in :rollingw:

I do the ignore (only one person on that list for me now) BECAUSE the natural inclination is to engage with them in conversation.
Best not be me or imma gonna start knocking all your stuff off of the shelves and maybe a stray plantpot will clonk you on the head in the middle of the night :evillaugh:
 
As I've mentioned in conversations with the mods (including your good self I believe), the easy solution would be to permit only the kind of genuinely Fortean topics that would typically be found in the magazine.
I've been in trouble for expressing my honest opinions about Putin and his armed forces on the Ukraine thread and, more recently, regarding paedophiles/grooming.
If the forum must encompass non-Fortean topics, which will understandably provoke strong feelings, it seems harsh to sanction members for expressing them.
I too have adapted my approach, by no longer participating in the Ukraine thread since my ban, no matter how much ongoing news reports about the war truly upset me. As the forum means so much to me, it's probably wise for me to avoid any threads about paedophiles too.
So, FWIW, my recommendation for a more harmonious Fortean forum would be to remove threads with no Fortean content and which will, inevitably, touch on culture and politics (with the possible comedic free-for-all of the humour thread - and maybe Cromer too, to keep Swifty happy!).
Naah, leave well alone - it’s fine as it is.
 
If we removed CHAT and MAINSTREAM NEWS, we would get most of the posts members would have made there in the Fortean sections instead, just as if we removed WEBSITE ISSUES, members would ask how to change their avatars in the middle of a discussion about psychic penguins.

Elsewhere, there is no subject, be it Ukraine, Covid or Brexit, that is so important that your heartfelt views must be discussed here; must be discussed, yes, possibly—but not here.

We are a Fortean community that for convenience facilitates non-political chat, not a general online community with a special interest in Forteana. The sainted @gordonrutter literally pays for everyone's presence in terms of licence and bandwidth costs; he's not interested in funding a place for general chat and political debate, and I, at least, am not interested in moderating one.

@EnolaGaia spoke often about noise to signal ratio: how a small amount of the former does little to affect the reception of the latter, but there is a (subjective) threshhold at which people simply drift away since the community is delivering too little of the content promised at the top of the page. For long-term members, this threshhold is very high (most would remain if we rebranded as Coffee & Banter), but for many new or casual members the bar is much lower.

Members who do not contribute material to the Fortean sections are absolutely welcome—I lurked unregistered for a few months before warily dipping a toe—but those who never post in Forteana and contribute tons of CHAT (of the 'post and forget' Facebook variety—Enola called it 'drive-by posting') are a bit of a pain if I'm honest. I sample browsing habits periodically and have found that a small number of quite regular members seldom even read most Fortean Threads (no names, no pack-drill).

I sometimes hear that we have or will run out of Forteana, but I don't accept this. We maintain a broad enough definition (let's put it kindly) of that term that the supply will likely never dry up, but as others have remarked (@Sharon Hill seems to know a bit here), the average age of members of most more traditional Fortean groups is rising. It's important, therefore, for us to present an open and welcoming community (that means more than simply stating we are 'open and welcome'); part of it is simply to remove those who routinely snipe, mock, roll-eyes and foster political dissension within a society of disparate individuals united by a single point of interest/concern.

This is not a call for 'inclusivity', this is a call to ignore the kind of identity-centred subjects that lead to a sense of exclusivity—the sense that 'only X kind of people visit the Forteana Forums'.

The comradeship engendered through mutual curiosity is easily eroded by mean spirits.
 
If you are the youngest then you’re spoilt, you just ask your siblings!
I'm the youngest of six, and I am definitely not spoilt! Far from it, I was expected to do more because I'm the youngest, and got away with less!

Yup, there was a rule early on that the Limericks were only to feature Fortean themes. We soon ran out of UFOs and sea monsters so more traditional* topics began to emerge.

*Innuendo and occasionally pure filth.
Occasionally?:omg::comphit::reyes:
 
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