Satanic Abuse Rumbles On?

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Just read the whole of this thread, and nobody mentions the 1980 book that started the SRA ball rolling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Remembers

I read about it in Grady Hendrix's Paperbacks from Hell book, which is an overview of the horror paperbacks boom of the 1970s and 80s. Michelle Remembers was very much in that lurid tradition, breathlessly detailing an 81 day ordeal for 5 year old Michelle Smith which was recovered in therapy when she was an adult (with a shrink she was having an affair with, it turned out). The trouble was, as the book climbed the bestseller lists, none of it was true.

But thanks to the popularity of the horror genre stamped on the pop culture landscape, with horror movies blamed for all sorts of psychological problems despite no evidence for it (see the UK's video nasties scare), there were plenty of religious types who adapted the shocking setpieces of these fictions to what they wanted to believe was real life. Again, no evidence whatsoever. It was like the fundamentalists needed their horror stories too, but they had to be tailored to their beliefs.

And all because one shrink saw the success of The Amityville Horror and thought, hmm, I could make a lot of money out of this (and did).

So... anyone read Michelle Remembers?
 

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Just read the whole of this thread, and nobody mentions the 1980 book that started the SRA ball rolling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Remembers

I read about it in Grady Hendrix's Paperbacks from Hell book, which is an overview of the horror paperbacks boom of the 1970s and 80s. Michelle Remembers was very much in that lurid tradition, breathlessly detailing an 81 day ordeal for 5 year old Michelle Smith which was recovered in therapy when she was an adult (with a shrink she was having an affair with, it turned out). The trouble was, as the book climbed the bestseller lists, none of it was true.

But thanks to the popularity of the horror genre stamped on the pop culture landscape, with horror movies blamed for all sorts of psychological problems despite no evidence for it (see the UK's video nasties scare), there were plenty of religious types who adapted the shocking setpieces of these fictions to what they wanted to believe was real life. Again, no evidence whatsoever. It was like the fundamentalists needed their horror stories too, but they had to be tailored to their beliefs.

And all because one shrink saw the success of The Amityville Horror and thought, hmm, I could make a lot of money out of this (and did).

So... anyone read Michelle Remembers?
People can be so bloody gullible. Just tell them it's nonfiction and away they go. "Not to get too off track" but It often seems that any fanatical (religious or political) group will believe just about anything at times, the buggers.
 

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In terms of SRA 'rumbling on', I started a thread about Teal Swan, Youtube guru – a key part of her backstory is the satanic ritual abuse she allegedly endured as a child. Her followers believe her story, of course. Repressed memories and SRA may be debunked for us, but there's going to be a lot of people out there who see no reason to doubt it.
 
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In terms of SRA 'rumbling on', I started a thread about Teal Swan, Youtube guru – a key part of her backstory is the satanic ritual abuse she allegedly endured as a child. Her followers believe her story, of course. Repressed memories and SRA may be debunked for us, but there's going to be a lot of people out there who see no reason to doubt it.
I think there's an awful lot more going on right now than we hear about.

Something has happened with the reporting of this sort of thing over the last few years, there's very little and when it does appear there's a huge relectance to name those responsible in the way that would have happened in the 90s. makes me think there was some sort of court case or something that's made the media wary.
 

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Repressed memories and SRA may be debunked for us, but there's going to be a lot of people out there who see no reason to doubt it.
A good and quick way to change peoples idea on this is to suggest that no-one incarcerated in Auschwitz repressed their memories (I take no credit for that I read it in a journal article somewhere).
 

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A good and quick way to change peoples idea on this is to suggest that no-one incarcerated in Auschwitz repressed their memories (I take no credit for that I read it in a journal article somewhere).
Is that the case though?

Misha…looks helplessly at me and admits hesitantly that the period in the camps is wiped out from his brain….With each question regarding the period between December 12, 1942 till May 7, 1945, he admits while feeling embarrassed that he cannot remember anything
 

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Fascinating, thank you for that, I stand, in part, corrected, the studies shown note that this is a relatively rare thing, even so.

I'd say there is a difference between evaluating a recovered memory for an event which is known and documented, i.e. the 'ground truth' is known, and the inadvertent generation of false memories in a subject for whom the 'ground truth' is not known - there are some interesting studies to show just how easily this can be done.

I worry that there is now a body of opinion on the subject and there is not enough material on the corroboration between memories and events to pin down the existence of, and differentiation between, genuinely recovered memories and 'false' memories.

In any event, those abusers who use of the defence of 'false memories' to cover up or evade cases of real abuse - this is so despicable if defies comment. But there are always people like that and they will game the system, always.

In any event, guilt still needs to be proved and the trope, of late, of "guilt is assumed in the accusation" is something we all need to be very wary of.
 

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Fascinating, thank you for that, I stand, in part, corrected, the studies shown note that this is a relatively rare thing, even so.

I'd say there is a difference between evaluating a recovered memory for an event which is known and documented, i.e. the 'ground truth' is known, and the inadvertent generation of false memories in a subject for whom the 'ground truth' is not known - there are some interesting studies to show just how easily this can be done.

I worry that there is now a body of opinion on the subject and there is not enough material on the corroboration between memories and events to pin down the existence of, and differentiation between, genuinely recovered memories and 'false' memories.

In any event, those abusers who use of the defence of 'false memories' to cover up or evade cases of real abuse - this is so despicable if defies comment. But there are always people like that and they will game the system, always.

In any event, guilt still needs to be proved and the trope, of late, of "guilt is assumed in the accusation" is something we all need to be very wary of.
It seems like that department at brown have an agenda to prove the validity of repressed memories, and I'd guess it's still a controversial subject. It would also depend very much on the age of the child - I remember very little from my younger childhood, and I didn't have anything drastically traumatic happen to me.
 

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Yeah, sad business. The whole 'repressed memory' thing is mostly debunked.
Actually people can well have "repressed memories", but the danger is that a hypnotherapist can ask leading questions that can make people imagine traumatic events. There is a similar problem with police and lawyers asking witnesses leading questions that cause them to completely misremember events. In the case of the Satanic Panic, a series of psychologists deliberately used their knowledge of hypnosis to prey upon the prejudices of some very insular, parochial, and superstitiously fundamentalist religious people in the USA's hinterlands. Many of them to this day still insist that their recovered memories are real, and there is genuine emotion at stake, for admitting it is bullshit means they're rubes and their faith affirming clash with the forces of Darkness is a nonsense. This is how the best con-artists really "take" people. Con artists make the victim think they the victim are to blame, and make the victim hide the truth of events due to shame about the victim's involvement, to the point where the victim will often defend the con artist rather than admit their own foolishness. Sickening really.

My advice to anyone who gets taken in by a con artist is that it is better to admit your mistake and go to the Fraud Squad. Even if you have done something criminal, the Fraud Squad will normally take your side, because they know how con artists entrap people.
 
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