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Strange Deaths

We may have had this already as it's sadly not rare: a woman looking into a large charity clothing collection bin became trapped and was asphyxiated.
From news.com.au in July:

Partner of mum who died trapped inside charity clothing bin posts emotional tribute to his ‘soulmate’

Police, firefighters and paramedics were called to the Stockland Baldivis shopping centre carpark about 5am on Tuesday after a member of the public made the grim discovery on Norseman Approach.

Ms Lawrence’s car was reportedly parked nearby.

Rockingham Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Elliott said CCTV footage showed the mother of one approaching the bins alone about 1.40am.

“At approximately 5am in the morning, a passer-by contacted police saying they had found a person in a bin,” he told reporters.
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Sounds to me like she was leaning into the bin and fell forward, possibly dying of positional asphyxia.
 
hunck said:
Ahem, ladies…….Strange Deaths..
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escargot said:
Would you like one?
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hunck said:
Ahem, ladies…….Strange Deaths..
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To be honest, wearing your keys around your neck on a lanyard is just inviting a strange death! Do we have a separate section for people who've been strangled because they had a lanyard on?
 
catseye said:
To be honest, wearing your keys around your neck on a lanyard is just inviting a strange death! Do we have a separate section for people who've been strangled because they had a lanyard on?
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The favourite lanyard is the oldest, very sturdy. My latest whale is a Velcro insert on it. Isadora Duncan an' all that.
 
catseye said:
To be honest, wearing your keys around your neck on a lanyard is just inviting a strange death! Do we have a separate section for people who've been strangled because they had a lanyard on?
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There's nothing worse than having your lanyard interfered with...
 
catseye said:
To be honest, wearing your keys around your neck on a lanyard is just inviting a strange death! Do we have a separate section for people who've been strangled because they had a lanyard on?
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I dunno if it was in thread, or IRL, but I'm aware of stories of people who have been in the habit of walking a dog (or more than one) with the lead looped around their neck (the walker, not the dog), and then the dog getting startled by something and suddenly running off, and the walker becoming strangliated.
 
Trevp666 said:
I dunno if it was in thread, or IRL, but I'm aware of stories of people who have been in the habit of walking a dog (or more than one) with the lead looped around their neck (the walker, not the dog), and then the dog getting startled by something and suddenly running off, and the walker becoming strangliated.
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Very similarly, a woman who was turning out her horses had a rope around her neck and the horses spooked and she was strangled. I remember reading about it and thinking 'who the hell puts a horse's rope around their neck?' But, AFAIR, there was a bit more to it than this, and it was perfectly reasonable.
 
Back in the early '90s I was living at my uncle and aunt's house in Edinburgh whilst I was attending a local college there. I was out at college one day but my cousin was at home and was being disturbed by the sounds of the kids next door playing in their back garden. They were shouting, screaming and running around, playing on their climbing frame and slide - making a real racket.

He heard them screaming and just tried to block out all the noise. It wasn't until the police and an ambulance turned up at the door that he found out the reason for the latest screams. One of the children had been playing with a dog's lead and had managed to hang herself from the climbing frame by it. By the time that the mother, who was in the house, was alerted and ran outside to her it was too late.

My cousin felt horribly guilty that he hadn't realised what was happening and run to do something to help. :(
 
CALGACUS03 said:
Back in the early '90s I was living at my uncle and aunt's house in Edinburgh whilst I was attending a local college there. I was out at college one day but my cousin was at home and was being disturbed by the sounds of the kids next door playing in their back garden. They were shouting, screaming and running around, playing on their climbing frame and slide - making a real racket.

He heard them screaming and just tried to block out all the noise. It wasn't until the police and an ambulance turned up at the door that he found out the reason for the latest screams. One of the children had been playing with a dog's lead and had managed to hang herself from the climbing frame by it. By the time that the mother, who was in the house, was alerted and ran outside to her it was too late.

My cousin felt horribly guilty that he hadn't realised what was happening and run to do something to help. :(
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My parents gave us heck if we screamed while playing. Probably because of a possible scenario like this. If we were screaming, then they would know someone was in trouble.
 
brownmane said:
My parents gave us heck if we screamed while playing. Probably because of a possible scenario like this. If we were screaming, then they would know someone was in trouble.
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My siblings and I were brought up with that rule and I enforced it with my own kids, including anyone who came to play.
Hearing kids screaming is irritating anyway!
 
Krepostnoi said:
Interesting. Personally, I've always worked on the theory that if I can hear them, they're doing fine. It's when they go quiet that I start to worry.
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That didn't work for me. They could however vocalise as long as it wasn't screaming. Singing was always OK, as were animal noises.
I was always somewhere close anyway, like in the kitchen cooking the massive amounts of food they required, and could see and hear them.
 
escargot said:
That didn't work for me. They could however vocalise as long as it wasn't screaming. Singing was always OK, as were animal noises.
I was always somewhere close anyway, like in the kitchen cooking the massive amounts of food they required, and could see and hear them.
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Do you know, I realise I have inferred a great deal from your earlier post that actually isn't justified by what you did write. My apologies. In my defence, I'm not only ill, I've also just been reading the boarding schools thread...
 
Krepostnoi said:
Do you know, I realise I have inferred a great deal from your earlier post that actually isn't justified by what you did write. My apologies. In my defence, I'm not only ill, I've also just been reading the boarding schools thread...
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i'm baffled now. :chuckle:

Sorry you're ill though. Take it easy. Get better soon.
 
EnolaGaia said:
Update ...
Initial autopsy results have not cast any light on what might have happened. Investigators are continuing to search for clues at the scene. Toxicology analyses are in progress, but it could take 2 to 3 weeks for them to reveal anything.

FULL STORY: https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/us/yosemite-family-death-trnd/index.html
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Trails and campgrounds near Yosemite where a family and their dog were found dead have been closed because of 'unknown hazards,' officials say​

The bodies of Jonathan Gerrish, Ellen Chung, their 1-year-old daughter, Miju, and the family dog, Oksi, were found by search and rescue workers on August 17 in a remote area of the Sierra National Forest near the south fork of the Merced River, according to the Mariposa County Sheriff's Office. They were found on the Savage Lundy Trail.

The Sierra National Forest said it closed the area where the family was found as a precaution due to "unknown hazards found in and around the Savage Lundy Trail."

"Designated recreation sites, roads, and trails in proximity and/or leading to this location will be off limits to public," the national forest said in a statement Saturday. The closures are effective until September 26.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:

Trails and campgrounds near Yosemite where a family and their dog were found dead have been closed because of 'unknown hazards,' officials say​

The bodies of Jonathan Gerrish, Ellen Chung, their 1-year-old daughter, Miju, and the family dog, Oksi, were found by search and rescue workers on August 17 in a remote area of the Sierra National Forest near the south fork of the Merced River, according to the Mariposa County Sheriff's Office. They were found on the Savage Lundy Trail.

The Sierra National Forest said it closed the area where the family was found as a precaution due to "unknown hazards found in and around the Savage Lundy Trail."

"Designated recreation sites, roads, and trails in proximity and/or leading to this location will be off limits to public," the national forest said in a statement Saturday. The closures are effective until September 26.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

maximus otter
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Still no news on how they died I take it?
 
catseye said:
Very similarly, a woman who was turning out her horses had a rope around her neck and the horses spooked and she was strangled. I remember reading about it and thinking 'who the hell puts a horse's rope around their neck?' But, AFAIR, there was a bit more to it than this, and it was perfectly reasonable.
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So what was the story then? About the 'reasonable' choice to put a rope attached to a spookable horse round one's neck? :thought:

Another of my old dear's child-rearing rules was about Putting Things Round Your Neck: she was broadly agin it.
Even now when I hold a tape measure or length of cut elastic round my neck I worry a little incase it gets snagged on a door handle and strangles me.
 
escargot said:
my old dear's child-rearing rules
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When I was a nipper there were all sorts of dangers apparently present in the most innocuous of things according to my mother.
Everything had the capacity to kill you or at least leave you with some kind of lasting damage.
Every destination was fraught with the possibility of 'a bomb going off'.
Mind you, that was during the 70's and into the 80's and the IRA was a little bit touchy at the time.
 
Trevp666 said:
When I was a nipper there were all sorts of dangers apparently present in the most innocuous of things according to my mother.
Everything had the capacity to kill you or at least leave you with some kind of lasting damage.
Every destination was fraught with the possibility of 'a bomb going off'.
Mind you, that was during the 70's and into the 80's and the IRA was a little bit touchy at the time.
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My upbringing was in the '60s and early '70s. Can't remember being afraid of the IRA as we lived in small-town mainland England but the Troubles in Northern Ireland were always in the news.

We were however not allowed to Eat When Lying Down or Play With Knives - that was something that fascinated me: what play potential did knives have? They didn't particularly appeal to me.

Apparently a schoolboy called John Piper either stabbed or was stabbed by another boy in a school playground. We were reminded of this most days.
I was the prime suspect in the next such case and would often be accused of Having A Penknife. I think I might have held one once and been peremptorily disarmed on the spot.

The problem here was that the old dear was as mad as a hatter. :chuckle:
 
Nosmo King said:
Seems like a long time to do an autopsy and get toxicology results.
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The autopsies were completed over 10 days ago. It's not unusual for toxicology analysis to take weeks unless something obvious is discovered (e.g., presence of a toxin). The investigators said the toxicology work could take 2 - 3 weeks, and it's only been circa 2 weeks.

The only things that have been ruled out so far are traumatic physical injury, gun shots, and the set of toxins known to be emitted by old abandoned mines in that area.

The family members' (and dog's) bodies were found on an unshaded stretch of uphill trail, and temperatures out in the sun the day of their hike are estimated to have reached over 100F. Heat stroke and other heat-related breakdown conditions aren't readily evident from autopsy results.
 
escargot said:
My upbringing was in the '60s and early '70s. Can't remember being afraid of the IRA as we lived in small-town mainland England but the Troubles in Northern Ireland were always in the news.
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I was born in 1966 so my teenage years began at the end of the 70s.
At the time I lived in Edgware (north London) so my mates and I would quite often travel on the tube into London for various things.
My mother would always be advising us that the IRA target London places like Oxford Street and the Houses of Parliament etc.

Of course, it was also the period in which the government loved to get the TV companies to broadcast the 'Public Information Films' which were basically 30 or 60 seconds of scary stuff about paedo's, climbing on things, going near water, getting electrocuted, the danger of farms, etc etc etc
Oh and don't stand for too long in a red phone box, as some drunk in a Mk1 Ford Escort is likely to lose control and careen off the road at 95mph and drive straight through it.

These things, I think, were what made my mum see danger around every corner for her 2 boys, but she didn't bat an eyelid if we were gone out to play all day in the summer holidays at the local park, on a go-cart we made ourselves, with no brakes.
 
escargot said:
So what was the story then? About the 'reasonable' choice to put a rope attached to a spookable horse round one's neck? :thought:

Another of my old dear's child-rearing rules was about Putting Things Round Your Neck: she was broadly agin it.
Even now when I hold a tape measure or length of cut elastic round my neck I worry a little incase it gets snagged on a door handle and strangles me.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tragic-rider-strangled-horse-bolted-8650489

This was the story. Experienced horsewoman, just not thinking 'what if'. Poor woman.
 
maximus otter said:

Trails and campgrounds near Yosemite where a family and their dog were found dead have been closed because of 'unknown hazards,' officials say​

The bodies of Jonathan Gerrish, Ellen Chung, their 1-year-old daughter, Miju, and the family dog, Oksi, were found by search and rescue workers on August 17 in a remote area of the Sierra National Forest near the south fork of the Merced River, according to the Mariposa County Sheriff's Office. They were found on the Savage Lundy Trail.

The Sierra National Forest said it closed the area where the family was found as a precaution due to "unknown hazards found in and around the Savage Lundy Trail."

"Designated recreation sites, roads, and trails in proximity and/or leading to this location will be off limits to public," the national forest said in a statement Saturday. The closures are effective until September 26.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

maximus otter
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Fascinating. I think it is unlikely that they died from a CO2 burp (and I know I am really reaching here) or overheating, but then that they all died at all - including the dog - was unlikely barring murder or suicide. I hope we find out. If not, the aliens/sasquatch/etc. conspiracies will rev up.
 
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