The Mandela Effect: False Memory

[Tunn11]

OK... here's an odd one.

Recent news has mentioned that plants have been grown for the first time in regolith from the Moon.
I'm pretty sure I remember NASA doing this back in the 1970s and finding that the plants grew really well. Anybody else remember this?

Anton Petrov discusses the plant growth here:

There were various attempts to germinate seed and grow plants in zero or very low gravity some while ago. Sort of hydropnics set up IIRC because of keeping water at the roots.

 

[Mythopoeika]

There were various attempts to germinate seed and grow plants in zero or very low gravity some while ago. Sort of hydropnics set up IIRC because of keeping water at the roots.

Yes, I guess that must be it.
I am really surprised that they didn't try the regolith experiment straight away.

 

[EnolaGaia]

... Recent news has mentioned that plants have been grown for the first time in regolith from the Moon.
I'm pretty sure I remember NASA doing this back in the 1970s and finding that the plants grew really well. Anybody else remember this? ...

Lunar regolith samples from the Apollo missions were, of course, precious and closely guarded. The first priority was to analyze the regolith samples physically and chemically. Once this was done, NASA and associated researchers developed lunar regolith "simulant" - synthesized material that was as physically and chemically close to the natural regolith as they could make it.

As far as I know there were earlier studies involving sprouting and growing plants in regolith simulant, but no such growth experiments were done using actual natural regolith until the work recently reported.

 

[Amergin]

New scientific paper shows the Mandela Effect is real, apparently. See:

https://boingboing.net/2022/08/08/new-scientific-paper-shows-the-mandela-effect-is-real.html

 

[Eponastill]

Interesting find, Amergin.

"the VME may be driven by schema-based perceptual knowledge for some icons and driven by visual experience with the non-canonical version for others." (the article writer sort of gave up and just started quoting the paper)

So does mean a combination of a) we see what we expect to see, and we end up remembering that version, not necessarily the 'real' version. and b) sometimes an altered version that we come across just seems more plausible for some reason (a reason, it seems, we share with other people) and we end up believing it and remembering it (like 'Luke, I am your father', for a non-visual version)

 

[Zeke Newbold]

This one might be a bit trivial, but to me it does have a whiff of `Mandela Effect` about it.

It's the song `Happy New Year` by ABBA.

I first became aware of this song when I was living abroad - circa 2012, possibly a year or two earlier. I have since discovered that the composition itself was released in 1980 ( a fact referenced in the lyrics - which look ahead to the following decade). I've Googled it and it is a track on the ~Souper Trooper` album (which features many other well known songs) and was released as a single `in some countries` in 1980 then again in 1999.

But I only became aware of it sometime circa 2012, as said. Now how can this be? Okay, I'm not a pop fan as such, still less an ABBA fan, but you pick these things up in shopping malls and on the radio and so on. Thus I've always had a general idea of what is in the charts - or at least did until the noughties at least. Was it a popular song in the UK or not (and then, if not, why not?)

To me it feels as if the song has suddenly erupted into `my time line` as a fully fledged seasonal fixture (that everyone else seems to have knolwn about) - but about three or more decades after its realease.

 

[gordonrutter]

This one might be a bit trivial, but to me it does have a whiff of `Mandela Effect` about it.

It's the song `Happy New Year` by ABBA.

I first became aware of this song when I was living abroad - circa 2012, possibly a year or two earlier. I have since discovered that the composition itself was released in 1980 ( a fact referenced in the lyrics - which look ahead to the following decade). I've Googled it and it is a track on the ~Souper Trooper` album (which features many other well known songs) and was released as a single `in some countries` in 1980 then again in 1999.

But I only became aware of it sometime circa 2012, as said. Now how can this be? Okay, I'm not a pop fan as such, still less an ABBA fan, but you pick these things up in shopping malls and on the radio and so on. Thus I've always had a general idea of what is in the charts - or at least did until the noughties at least. Was it a popular song in the UK or not (and then, if not, why not?)

To me it feels as if the song has suddenly erupted into `my time line` as a fully fledged seasonal fixture (that everyone else seems to have knolwn about) - but about three or more decades after its realease.

Never knowingly heard it or indeed of it myself.

 

[MorningAngel]

This one might be a bit trivial, but to me it does have a whiff of `Mandela Effect` about it.

It's the song `Happy New Year` by ABBA.

I first became aware of this song when I was living abroad - circa 2012, possibly a year or two earlier. I have since discovered that the composition itself was released in 1980 ( a fact referenced in the lyrics - which look ahead to the following decade). I've Googled it and it is a track on the ~Souper Trooper` album (which features many other well known songs) and was released as a single `in some countries` in 1980 then again in 1999.

But I only became aware of it sometime circa 2012, as said. Now how can this be? Okay, I'm not a pop fan as such, still less an ABBA fan, but you pick these things up in shopping malls and on the radio and so on. Thus I've always had a general idea of what is in the charts - or at least did until the noughties at least. Was it a popular song in the UK or not (and then, if not, why not?)

To me it feels as if the song has suddenly erupted into `my time line` as a fully fledged seasonal fixture (that everyone else seems to have knolwn about) - but about three or more decades after its realease.

I’ve heard it but not very regularly. I think more lately. I wonder if the renewed interest with ABBA from Mamma Mia has helped its popularity.

 

[Cassamore]

I kind of agree with you on this. A few years ago I was wondering why there seems a dearth of New Year songs as compared with the multitude for Christmas. I was surprised to find there is an Abba one, and I'm a bit of an Abba fan. And it's not exactly terrible either.

 

[eziofan]

I think the reason it passed you by in the UK is that it was never released as a single in the UK. Popular radio is driven very much by chart position so an album track is unlikely to get much airplay, especially as ABBA had a few singles from that album. The reason you heard it abroad is that it was released as a single abroad in 2009.

 

[catseye]

I think the reason it passed you by in the UK is that it was never released as a single in the UK. Popular radio is driven very much by chart position so an album track is unlikely to get much airplay, especially as ABBA had a few singles from that album. The reason you heard it abroad is that it was released as a single abroad in 2009.

Also it's often played as a 'background' song - certainly in our shop. So you wouldn't necessarily 'hear' it or, if you did, know it was Abba. It might just be there in the background. like lift music.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Watched a 15 minute YouTube clip from the film, 'Zulu', earlier.

It was the 'Men of Harlech' v Zulu warriors chant scene and resultant head on conflict.

So who changed the ending, with the Zulu offensive now being successfully repelled?

THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED!!!

They defensive troops were overwhelmed in this scene.

I REMEMBER IT WELL...

Well... evidently not.

Would have sworn...

 

[Roland Deschain]

Watched a 15 minute YouTube clip from the film, 'Zulu', earlier.

It was the 'Men of Harlech' v Zulu warriors chant scene and resultant head on conflict.

So who changed the ending, with the Zulu offensive now being successfully repelled?

THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED!!!

They defensive troops were overwhelmed in this scene.

I REMEMBER IT WELL...

Well... evidently not.

Would have sworn...

If my wonky memory serves the outer lines of troops were overrun and the surviving troops fell back to the building (hospital?) and eventually the waves of Zulu warriors ceased.
I’m guessing if you’re attention faltered and you retained only the earlier scenes then it would be logical to assume the Zulu warriors came out on top.

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

Watched a 15 minute YouTube clip from the film, 'Zulu', earlier.

It was the 'Men of Harlech' v Zulu warriors chant scene and resultant head on conflict.

So who changed the ending, with the Zulu offensive now being successfully repelled?

THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED!!!

They defensive troops were overwhelmed in this scene.

I REMEMBER IT WELL...

Well... evidently not.

Would have sworn...

Confusing it with the sequel Zulu Dawn, in which the defending British troops were massacred?

 

[Erinaceus]

It's the other way round. Zulu Dawn is the prequel.

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

It's the other way round. Zulu Dawn is the prequel.

You know what I mean. Zulu Dawn came out after Zulu and sounded more like the scenario described by Comfortably Numb.

 

[escargot]

You know what I mean. Zulu Dawn came out after Zulu and sounded more like the scenario described by Comfortably Numb.

Zulu Dawn? Didn't @Trevp666 go out with her?

 

[Trevp666]

Zulu Dawn? Didn't @Trevp666 go out with her?

No....I went out with Helena Handcart and Norma Snockers.

 

[escargot]

No....I went out with Helena Handcart and Norma Snockers.

I liked that Scottish girl, what was 'er name, oh yeah, Lydia Kettle.

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

BBC article today citing the Mandela effect as being behind people misremembering famous quotations from TV and movies.

I think most of us now know that Darth Vader never said "Luke, I am your father", nor did the evil queen in Snow White ever say "Mirror, mirror on the wall" and as for Captain Kirk saying "beam me up Scotty", it just didn't happen, but do you have a particular Mandela effect movie quotation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zc38kty

If I may add one more, Humphrey Bogart definitely didn't say "Play it again Sam" in Casablanca.

 

[Sid]

I liked that Scottish girl, what was 'er name, oh yeah, Lydia Kettle.

Yes, but I think she was just spouting off and flipped her lid a bit, through letting off a bit of steam!

 

[Cassamore]

BBC article today citing the Mandela effect as being behind people misremembering famous quotations from TV and movies.

I think most of us now know that Darth Vader never said "Luke, I am your father", nor did the evil queen in Snow White ever say "Mirror, mirror on the wall" and as for Captain Kirk saying "beam me up Scotty", it just didn't happen, but do you have a particular Mandela effect movie quotation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zc38kty

If I may add one more, Humphrey Bogart definitely didn't say "Play it again Sam" in Casablanca.

Greed is good?

 

[escargot]

Greed is good?

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works.

 

[Junopsis]

So does mean a combination of a) we see what we expect to see, and we end up remembering that version, not necessarily the 'real' version. and b) sometimes an altered version that we come across just seems more plausible for some reason (a reason, it seems, we share with other people) and we end up believing it and remembering it (like 'Luke, I am your father', for a non-visual version)

This totally makes sense-- isn't that the way we read? Where the start and maybe end of the word matter the most, and our brain sort of fills in the middle (not always accurately). We'd already be experiencing everything that way, and just not really noticing because a lot of the time, the results would agree with others'.

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

Greed is good?

Nice one, which I had to look up!
The original, non Mandela-effected quotation is "greed, for lack of a better word, is good".

 

[escargot]

Nice one, which I had to look up!
The original, non Mandela-effected quotation is "greed, for lack of a better word, is good".

Too slow. I got there first.

 

[Xanatic*]

I was surprised to learn recently that Fidel Castro is dead. I knew he was ill. It seems like a big thing would have been made of his death, yet I have no recollection of it.

 

[hunck]

I only found out recently that well known suffragette was named Emmeline Pankhurst & not Emily.

 

[Sid]

I only found out recently that well known suffragette was named Emmeline Pankhurst & not Emily.

I suppose it's the obvious reason that 'Emily' would be the easier - short name to address her.

 

[Trevp666]

'Emso' to her mates